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by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:48 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

There's been post upon post upon post about forgiveness and Redemption and wanting to see the other person eye to eye. How can that spread more hate?
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:35 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

It gets tiring to repeat the same Concepts over and over again, but I will for your sake. I never said that a person shouldn't be judged and have an appropriate punishment for their actions. What I'm stating, and have stated several times so far, is that a person needs a opportunity for Redemption....
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:31 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

If you were serious I do apologize. I think you're painting too broad a stroke when it comes to employer-employee relations. There are unions out there that have policies in place to force employers to give an employee a second chance. But even in non-union shops you have employers that are willing ...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:03 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

The concept of forgiving someone for their actions is contained in many world religions and has been practiced by mature adults for many centuries. One should expect justice, but then one must forgive, mostly for their own sake, otherwise hatred and resentment will take hold. If a person allows the...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Something I take away from his story is that change happens when one person works with another person. I agree with you that we should clean our own houses but in doing so we can have a profound influence on those around us.
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes Not exactly educating, just befriending. If anyone wants to try and be her friend, please do. Educating or befriending, call it what you want, but this black man through a personal relatio...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I can't help but feel that this is a pretty naive attitude. It is. It's extremely childish. She's a grown ass adult- with children mind you- and she has to learn that what she does is wrong and affects many people. Letting her keep her job will only give her a slight wrist slap and reinforce that b...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

This is a perfect example of black and white thinking. I for the 100th time will say that somebody who does such a thing should be punished but not leave it at that and to also try and educate them. I hope you realize that it's possible to do both So you would like her to be educated to treat every...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I am with you - you need to talk to people from the other side, find common ground, if you ever expect to convert them to your side. You cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater, but that is precisely what many do nowadays. I find that sad and disappointing; those so quick to judge are not will...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:02 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Then you're being selfish by dismissing her actions, or calling for the consequences to be tempered, in the name of forgiveness. The other option is the only path forward. Those with the power to meet actions like this with justice, must. In our capacity, we should put forgiveness on the shelf for ...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Yes, see the goodness in her, forgive and move on with your life. What do you propose? Are you willing to cast the first stone? If it makes you feel better, then go ahead. It’s not like you’re affecting the outcome in this particular instance. However, forgiveness isn’t cheap. I think you don’t und...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Yes, see the goodness in her, forgive and move on with your life. What do you propose? Are you willing to cast the first stone? I can't help but feel that this is a pretty naive attitude. I can't help but feel you are pretty sheltered yourself. My attitude is born out of suffering, the suffering I ...
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:32 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Yes, see the goodness in her, forgive and move on with your life. What do you propose? Are you willing to cast the first stone?
by norbie2018
Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:21 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

When you try to advocate for someone who espouses racism, you can't convince anybody you don't agree with them. If you want to be an apologist for racists you become like the 3 cops who stood by while one of their comrades choked a person to death. I never said to stand by and do nothing. I already...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:05 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I really don't understand how some people in this threat are implying that a racist woman losing a job is overkill while POC are actually being killed. This is exactly my point. Do you think that this is the proper way to deal with racism? Do you think that going around and looting stores, destroyi...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:01 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

"The only way to fix racism is to be more acccepting (sic) of people with racist views. and wducate (sic) them." Seriously? I feel like you need a serious reality check. These people don't want hugs. "it's overkill to be making a big fuss about this when POCs are being killed." How about MAKING THO...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

You are 14. I doubt you know much about playing in an orchestra, or working for that matter. A little hypocritical for me to be saying that but still needed to make that point Don't worry, Elow. It doesn't take advanced age to recognize another person's naiveté. Good work! Just because he does not ...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:11 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I will agree that it should not be tolerated, but do you have no compassion for the person with those views, or are you willing to simply cast their entire being aside as trash? We're talking about human beings on both sides here, who by the very nature of being alive deserve compassion and empathy ...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Someone already wrote about intolerance on both sides of the issue in this thread. I wrote about redemption. When a person attributes certain negative stereotypes to an entire race it is difficult to tolerate, which is what she did in those posts of hers. She might be a terrific artist and person ou...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:18 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Whoa! Don't most African and Indian immigrants represent the more educated to begin with? Also, I can't see how there's any comparison between them and African-Americans, because what it doesn't say is that, no matter how successful they might be, they're just another inferior colored person to som...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:07 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Wow to facts? I wish you would address the points I made instead of sending me to articles. The only way we can progress in a conversation about such a sensitive issue is to address the facts. In the U.S., based on "Median houseland income in the past 12 months (in 2014 inflation-adjusted dollars)"...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

We'll have to differ in opinions then, because in my eyes it is absolutely a factor. I did not mean to imply it is the only one, but it is a powerful influence.
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:08 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Where's your data that due process does not work for individuals of color? How can you state that people of color do not have the same economic equality when Asian Americans earn more than white Americans? Does it not boil down to individual choices and a bit of luck when it comes to success, in sp...
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:58 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Eccentricity & Instability in Talented Individuals
Replies: 16
Views: 1365

Re: Eccentricity & Instability in Talented Individuals

I had a prof at DePaul University - he taught at the University and freelanced in Chicago - suggest I follow this advice if I wanted to gig and get called back: 1) Play with a good sound and in tune, 2) Show up on time prepared for the job, 3) Be easy to get along with.
by norbie2018
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:44 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I'm saying use due process to judge people by their actions. Not who they are (race), not what they think (racist) , or what they say (sticks and stones... ) . Cops killing people is wrong (still deserve due process), setting buildings on fire is also wrong. Yes, you have to learn to tolerate peopl...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 4:38 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

The vast majority of police forces are made up of people who want to serve other people. They're made of white, black, and brown people. The vast majority of police officers do not go out of their way to incite violence. If you have research or other scientific data which shows differently I'd be h...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 2:43 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I completely agree that person should have thought about what they were posting before they posted it. But does that really matter? Racism just would have been hidden instead of put on full display for the whole world to see. I've done some really stupid things in my life and was given a second chan...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 2:18 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I'm not going to get too deep into this, I think everyone should be aware that the overwhelming majority of violence has been directly incited by either the police or less commonly, unaffiliated white supremacist groups. Public media will not show you this, because it will get them shut down. The v...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 2:13 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

I don't know, but where do you get your approximation from? Am I too low? Isn’t firing someone for expressing their views contrary to American values? I don't know the percentage, but it seems as if you do. I would like you to site where you got that figure from. Or is it just the best guess?
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 2:11 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Immediate termination from all jobs? Where's the chance for redemption? I read her posts and I think her views are abhorrent, but does that instantly lead to termination and disgrace? While she is ultimately to blame for her own views, I believe that it is true that punishing her will not actually ...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Immediate termination from all jobs? Where's the chance for redemption? I read her posts and I think her views are abhorrent, but does that instantly lead to termination and disgrace? If a man or a woman commits horrible crimes in their youth and pay for their crimes and turn their lives around we c...
by norbie2018
Sun May 31, 2020 11:25 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Yikes
Replies: 301
Views: 16728

Re: Yikes

Bach5G wrote:
Sun May 31, 2020 10:13 am
Are these views (or worse) not held by approximately 1/3 of Americans?
I don't know, but where do you get your approximation from?
by norbie2018
Sat May 30, 2020 8:56 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: How do you store your unused mouthpieces?
Replies: 28
Views: 2410

Re: How do you store your unused mouthpieces?

I tend to sell unused mouthpieces, so not much need to store them for any length of time. The one or two I do keep around goes rim down on a soft cloth on a bookshelf next to where I practice.
by norbie2018
Thu May 28, 2020 11:40 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The corona virus era
Replies: 4
Views: 713

Re: The corona virus era

I believe the out break was contained because a vaccine was in the works for years before.
by norbie2018
Thu May 28, 2020 9:12 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: I hit the wall!
Replies: 11
Views: 1401

Re: I hit the wall!

No wall - still learning and improving everyday I play. My incentives for playing by myself are varied, but inevitably include recording myself playing. It can be good to take a break, but if you need the incentive provided by ensemble playing record yourself playing duets, trio, etc. Trying to reco...
by norbie2018
Wed May 27, 2020 10:14 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Winning an audition when the audition didn't go well.
Replies: 12
Views: 1349

Re: Winning an audition when the audition didn't go well.

I studied with the solo trombonist from the Frankfurt Radio Orchestra when I was stationed in Wiesbaden 20 years ago. Wow - it has been 20 years! Anyway, we had the discussion about what an audition committee listens for/what can make or break an audition. He was on a recent panel with colleagues th...
by norbie2018
Wed May 27, 2020 9:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why are earlier horns better?
Replies: 77
Views: 6644

Re: Why are earlier horns better?

To quote Fossil: "There is no simple connection between age and quality with brass instruments.
Old brass instruments become more desirable if they have a sound quality that is considered to be the present ideal."

He's right on with that.
by norbie2018
Mon May 25, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Your warm up
Replies: 17
Views: 1253

Re: Your warm up

If I've got time the complete Stamp warm up out of the Bobo routine book plus some Arban inspired tonguing exercises. Takes about 7 minutes. If very little time an abbreviated version of what I just mentioned. No time? The first tune becomes my warm-up.
by norbie2018
Mon May 25, 2020 10:58 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: When do you think you'll play with other people again?
Replies: 50
Views: 4491

Re: When do you think you'll play with other people again?

Optimistically speaking a vaccine won't be available until the 3rd quarter of 2021, at least according to Dr, Peter Hotez an epidemiologist who appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience. Granted, he is one scientist and other scientists have differing opinions, but I'd take the conservative approach. Exp...
by norbie2018
Sat May 23, 2020 12:47 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: La Fosse
Replies: 10
Views: 1189

Re: La Fosse

Yes, what he said. Play them exactly as written for maximum benefit.
by norbie2018
Tue May 19, 2020 10:20 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Suggestions of what to play during lockdown
Replies: 12
Views: 1134

Re: Suggestions of what to play during lockdown

Sorry - fake book.

Hal Leonard The Frank Sinatra Fake Book

It may be in treble clef it is not specific to trombone.
by norbie2018
Tue May 19, 2020 9:30 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Suggestions of what to play during lockdown
Replies: 12
Views: 1134

Re: Suggestions of what to play during lockdown

There is a Frank Sinatra songbook for trombone that I recently ordered which might fit for you. It hasn't arrived but I am looking forward to playing simple, beautiful songs. You might also want to but a copy of the Arban Manual and work through the book while in lockdown. And record yourself! Nothi...
by norbie2018
Fri May 15, 2020 1:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Don Lusher's trombone
Replies: 27
Views: 2353

Re: Don Lusher's trombone

FOSSIL wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:30 pm
Too easy to play......😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Chris
I read that and thought "what does that even mean?"
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Wearing earplugs while practicing
Replies: 7
Views: 674

Re: Wearing earplugs while practicing

I play in an even smaller room and have never used ear plugs. Then again, I don't play at extremely loud dynamics for any length of time, not the kind of playing that I do on a regular basis. I imagine if you decided to play with them you would get used to them. Do what is right for your health.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 12:55 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Another buzzing question
Replies: 34
Views: 2108

Re: Another buzzing question

No resistance from the cup and shank.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 9:44 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Holton TR-150
Replies: 7
Views: 1194

Re: FS: Holton TR-150

Elow wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 9:29 am
norbie2018 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:49 am
Now asking $695 plus shipping. Please email me for pics.
Man, that $5 discount really motivates me. :lol:
I didn't notice that I dropped the price already. Make an offer if you'd like.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 7:49 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Holton TR-150
Replies: 7
Views: 1194

Re: FS: Holton TR-150

Now asking $695 plus shipping. Please email me for pics.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 7:47 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
Topic: FS: Fergusun B4g5g large shank
Replies: 1
Views: 595

Re: FS: Fergusun B4g5g large shank

The Ferguson is still u pfor sale. All reasonable offers considered.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 7:44 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Mouthpieces
Topic: FS: Hammond 11ml large shank
Replies: 1
Views: 532

Re: FS: Hammond 11ml large shank

Still for sale.
by norbie2018
Wed May 13, 2020 7:34 am
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Is it okay to go to college for a music education degree later in life? Is the virus going to change music education?
Replies: 23
Views: 2325

Re: Is it okay to go to college for a music education degree later in life? Is the virus going to change music education

I just want to point out that it is really too early right now to take decisions based on the virus. We don't know if or when there will be a vaccine. A vaccine could solve everything but could also be ineffective if the virus mutates too fast. The virus could mutate to less contagious strains. Etc...

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