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Based on Christan's track record, I'd guess that this is a very fine trombone. "Best version of Bach" — perhaps not. [An impossible comparison, in any case. Which Bach do you compare it to?] Authentic Getzen 4047DS ? — for sure. Apparently they've been around for 7 or 8 years, so some TC members mus...

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StevenC wrote: ↑
Fri May 24, 2019 10:28 am

BflatBass wrote: ↑
Wed May 22, 2019 8:37 pm

The gigantic community band starts up in June. We see typically 10 to 15 trombones on any given week.
Sounds frightening.

I think I'd pass on this "opportunity!"

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I have one of each of these. I carry them separately in two tripod bags, since I don't always need a music stand as well as a trombone stand. Both easily carried by hand or over shoulder. • K&M 14990 — SLIK 23" Tripod bag (no padding but very sturdy and protective): https://www.amazon.com/Universal-...

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Forget brands. Get your hands on a few bass trombone mouthpieces between a 2G and a 1G. Do your best to achieve the goals you have described over the course of a week on each one. For some mouthpieces, you will know immediately that they aren't for you. Others won't be too bad. Those are probably y...

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I somehow came into possession of a Jerome Callet "Magnum 7B" mouthpiece. A bit strange - sort of a 6¾ on steroids. Slightly oversize shank. Not quite sure where to use it.

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To me one thing is for sure- brass in the pacific rim is not the same as American brass and not even close to European brass. We're talking raw materials here. So Yamaha brass is inherently inferior because they source it within the "Pacific Rim?" Is all brass used in "America" sourced only from th...

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Whatever you get in the range of true bass trombone mouthpieces will be an improvement over the Schilke 51D (a mouthpiece apparently more suitable for baritone / euphonium but played by some on large-bore tenor trombones). Any 1¼-sized mouthpiece is a huge leap from a 51D. High register will possibl...

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Based on a (very brief) comparison, I think this may be a better trombone / more ergonomically comfortable than the vaunted Yamaha "Xeno."

It's professional level. Price seems very reasonable. When was it manufactured?

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Check out Harrison Reed's Conn 5G mouthpiece – it might be what you're looking for.

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Good grief - the Kowloon in Saugus - it's still there? I remember it as a bit over the top from more than 40 years ago! Is the Hilltop Steak House (with the neon cactus and plastic cows) still across the street? Between the two, there was enough kitsch for the entire state of Massachusetts. Perhaps ...

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Our big band has too many charts, and our decades-old folders were also disintegrating. Most of us have switched to plastic file boxes with Pendaflex hanging file folders to hold ~30 charts in each Pendaflex . Yes, yet another piece of luggage to carry. But they seem to cause less damage to the char...

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I've been curious about lead pipes for my 3b as well. - Is it worth messing around with lead pipes? Is it a slippery slope? Based on Matt K's lengthy, convoluted response, it sure seems like a "slippery slope" to me! :idk: But on the other hand, I'm quite pleased with the way the King 3BSS plays wi...

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blast wrote: ↑
Sat May 18, 2019 2:07 am
There is a live AR thread on this forum.... can we keep AR talk on that thread.

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"Red rot": Possibly / probably

Distilled water as a causative factor: Unlikely

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The Yamaha 58L (supplied with the YBL-421G) or Schilke 58 would be a good starting point - but apparently the Yamaha 58 doesn't meet your vision. Nevertheless, you might want to give it a chance, since it came free!

For Big Band use, I prefer my Marcinkiewicz "Geo Roberts" model.

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Not all King 3Bs were created equally.

Not all King 3Bs have aged gracefully.

Not all King 3Bs have been properly and lovingly maintained.

Not all King 3Bs look and play the same.

What's the story on this one?

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I had good luck with Alaska and JetBlue traveling with a small tenor trombone as carry-on luggage. (Both good airlines with generally friendly and helpful staff.) What worked for me: • Fly non-stop if at all possible. • Try to arrange to be among early groups to board. (Some airlines will do this fo...

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Wow! Nice work, Leif. Keep playing until you drop!

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brassmedic wrote: ↑
Thu May 16, 2019 2:11 am
Around here, there aren't very many of us, but there are a lot of players who need work done.
The most amazing brass tech around just retired, so the rest of us will have to pick up the slack.

Who retired?

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Is there really room on the Orchestra Hall stage to move the tuba behind the trombones (who usually sit in the very back row)? Do the trombones move forward a row?
Or is this seating plan used for other venues?

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So you want a dual-valve tenor (0.547" bore, or perhaps 0.547"/0.562" dual bore) with an 8½" bell?
This will be hard to locate, I think.

Have you tried smaller mouthpieces (e.g., Bach 2G, Schilke 58, Wick 2AL, etc.) on your 50K?

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Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Wed May 15, 2019 5:53 pm
I still think having a good large tenor is pretty essential for a professional.

Essential for sure. But apparently not a "catch-all" for the versatility required of most modern pro trombonists.

I am NOT a professional, but I play a lot - and no longer very much on my beloved 88H!

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The large-shank Marcellus does not have a "tight throat" - it's 6.40mm (0.252") diameter; cup I.D is 25.50mm per spec. Closest small-shank in the Bach family is probably Bach 5GS, also 25.50mm cup, 6.63mm (0.261") throat - or just a touch larger than a 6½AL. Certainly a reasonable option for a Bach ...

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I think such a mouthpiece (roughly 5G size in the Bach world, with a deep V-shaped cup) would be rather large for most small-shank applications - but I've seen folks use a similarly-sized small-shank Schilke 51D, so what do I know?

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Make sure to do research before purchasing from retailers. There's a number of threads on trombonechat and the old forums about Slidebone. So should this be considered a TC caveat emptor about Slidebone? :idk: As for me, I've moved on from cheesecloth, and instead employ long strips of cotton bedsh...

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I got one of the HW brass saver things and all the fuzz kept coming off in my slide! I ended up throwing it away after using a couple of times. I've had my Brass-Saver brushes ("Trombone" size for my small- & medium-bore tenors, "Tuba" size for my large-bore and bass trombone) for nearly 3 years no...

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I'm think about this one: https://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/Europort-MPA40BT-PRO-Portable-PA-System-1418053829466.gc?pfm=item_page.rrt1%7CClickCP It rolls, pretty light, probably loud enough for one horn. Thx. For these applications, you probably don't care much about sound fidelity - but I th...

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I can make the 6½AL work on a King 3B, but I find it a little large for high-range playing ( e.g. , lead trombone in a big band) and (if you want to stick with Bach) have had better luck with a 6½A (same cup, smaller throat) or 6¾C (smaller, shallower cup). Of course there are lots of other options ...

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The Yamaha YBL-421G is a very fine, well-made trombone. It is, in fact, a "full blown bass trombone" - but it has only one valve. Yes, it not only creates a full bass trombone sound, but it is indeed "fun and useful" for the applications you will probably use it for - and many more. [I'm currently p...

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Side note: I hate it when I bring my straight 8H to rehearsal and people ask me why I bought my little horn. Just like I'm a bit irritated when I bring my Yamaha single-valve bass (0.563" bore, 9½" bell) and folks wonder why I brought a small trombone instead of a "real" bass!" :frown: Fortunately,...

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I switched to a Bach Strad Centennial Model with the open flow after trying dozens of horns with one of the BSO section members and we both agreed it was a well rounded horn that would be good for almost any use. I'm using a DE 102/xtG/custom backbore MP. So far, this combination has produced what ...

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it didn't quite fit with the section I have been subbing with recently (Baltimore Symphony). Thanks! Good grief - what made what must be a fine state-of-the-art trombone not "fit" with the section? Did the conductor or your section mates complain? Did you try different mouthpieces? What trombone / ...

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Remember that (as many of us have learned from experience) not all Bach 5G mouthpieces are made the same; in fact there may be significant variation within this small family over the years. That being said, I do not have a Conn 5G mouthpiece, but I have a CKB 5G and a King 5G, both identical and bot...

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Best trombone accessory I've ever purchased: HWP Brass-Saver (pull-through soft brush with an 80"-long plastic lead ribbon). $15 or less. https://www.wwbw.com/HW-Brass-Saver-Cleaning-Brushes-465124.wwbw https://www.amazon.com/HW-H-BSTB-Brass-Saver/dp/B0002OVCYW You can safely thread this soft brush ...

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The 2CL is even bigger if I remember correctly. Yes the 2CL is a "bigger" mouthpiece - even though the cup I.D. (near the rim) is similar, the cup is probably deeper, and the throat is HUGE. Would probably accommodate a Mont Blanc pen! Unfortunately, the dimensions of the CL throats seem to be a tr...

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harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Tue May 07, 2019 9:31 am
Isn't the bore size on the CL pieces like .333 inches? Keep going!

Christian Lindberg 5CL: 0.266" throat; 4CL: 0.303" throat
#2 pencil: ~0.277" across flats / ~0.286" across peaks

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Serial Number seems incomplete. Elkhart SNs until ~1962 were 6 digits; then from ~1963 were 5 numerical digits with a letter prefix (e.g., G54321)

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pfrancis wrote: ↑
Mon May 06, 2019 5:20 pm
Pitch is certainly altered again here. Trumpet player starts the tune with a sounding G with 2&3 valves down...

Wonder why they'd alter the pitch?

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The MTS Universal #34 Tenor Trombone Case seems to be pretty flexible. Small, rigid, sturdy, affordable (~$100). https://www.wwbw.com/MTS-Products-Replacement-Plastic-Case-for-Trombone-471807-471807000000000.wwbw?source=TWWR5J1BB&cntry=us¤cy=usd&gclid=Cj0KCQjwtr_mBRDeARIsALfBZA53pcN54wYeyFOJrY...

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I know of a couple of really good charts featuring the bass trombone that you maybe can buy from their respective writers. I bought those charts for myself long ago, and I'll see if I can provide you with either links to buy or contact info to the writers if you are interested. Would be great if yo...

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Hard to find a professional-grade large-bore F-attachment trombone for a lower price. Good luck.

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Bach5G wrote: ↑
Sun May 05, 2019 3:37 pm
I am so very grateful that the Yamaha brass rep back in Toronto still responds to my emails. Here is his most recent:

To properly oil a rotor, Yamaha recommends 3 different weights of oil.

Thanks for the very clear explanation - and for the Hetman equivalents (since I use that brand)!

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Rita Payés: http://itfvalencia2015.com/rita-payes/ Now almost 20 years old. Sings in Catalan, Portuguese, and English. Another in Joan Chamorro's string of jazz prodigies. Her first recording with him - age 14! (See Andrea Motis - trumpet & vocals). I have never seen a trombone like Rita's - or her ...

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Burgerbob wrote: ↑
Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 pm
Think I'll look for a Bach 12 or something similar in the future for a better big band horn.

I love using a 3BSS for big band work - lead, 2nd or 3rd parts, all good!

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If I could select anything and I wanted a single bass, I'd get an Olds P22, S20, Holton 183, or a Conn 60h, 71h or 72h. I'd never buy something like that new. All the best horns of that genre are in the past, especially if you exclude boutique makes. Favorites probably the Olds P22 or the Holton 18...

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The Yamaha YBL-421G (0.563" bore) is a fine single-valve bass trombone - possibly available used for much less than the $4,000 list price. Very robust, good slide, good rotary valve.

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Unlikely to need euphonium on most pit orchestras. Useful: Tenor trombone, trumpet, perhaps French horn. Trombonists should double on tenor and bass. I know some trombonists who double on (string) bass - upright or electric - to great advantage in terms of getting gigs.

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trombinstharry wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:46 pm
I am surprised by how little people actually know about bomb drops. From what I know, it is an official term ...

Never heard this "official term" used in my decades as a musician. I guess I'm too "old school" to attempt to recompose the music that's put in front of me.

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I never swab inners. I snake them out with a brush. And it it looks clean, it is clean! I'm a contrarian. (And sort of anal-compulsive!) I always swab both outer and inner slides until they are completely dry, and the inners are mirror-shiny. My protocol: • Completely dry the outer surfaces of the ...

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VERY unlikely this has anything to do with the distilled water, which should be effectively neutral. (If so, all the rest of us who use distilled water would be facing this problem.) I've never seen anything like this on any of my trombones whose slides are always sprayed with distilled water. Disti...

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