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I'm not a Facebook user, but I received this information about DJ:
http://facebook.com/donald.j.kennedy2

No phone number, though.
Hope it's helpful.

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My Olds 1 mouthpieces (I have 2, from the Los Angeles / Fullerton era) look nothing like this one. They do not have this "sculpted" profile, but retain the classic Olds "tulip" shape. They are somewhat similar to a Bach 12C (same inside cup diameter - about 24.5mm, roughly similar cup depth) but wit...

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Apparently DJ Kennedy has not made the transition from the Trombone Forum to TromboneChat . I miss his (sometimes pithy, usually interesting) comments, and his knowledge of many things trombone. I have a friend who would like to contact DJ about a trombone purchase. All I know is that he lives in Ch...

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I'm thinking of having my mouthpiece (now brass) remade out of Bronze in order to get a warmer / darker sound. What do you guys think the effect would be? I think the effect will be whatever you imagine it is - i.e , the difference may all be in your head! Though it will be difficult to exactly cop...

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Aidan, I also am a stickler for slide cleanliness. My go-to is the H-W Brass-Saver cleaning brush. I use the "trombone" version for my small-bore tenors, and the "tuba" set for my bass trombone and large-bore tenors. These brushes do just about everything you can do with your rod and cloth; can be u...

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For what it's worth (given the "ish" nature of mouthpiece dimensions), I have a copy of a Giardinelli Mouthpiece Catalog from the 1990s that shows the 4C mouthpiece with an approximate "Medium" depth Cup Diameter of 25.4mm and a Bore Size of 5.75mm. This would make it essentially the same as a Bach ...

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mrdeacon wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:32 am
Many of them never made the move to here... but many people are now active on the trombone pedagogy on facebook. I highly recommend checking that page out!

Unfortunately, there are many of us who have no interest in Facebook, for a myriad of reasons.

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cozzagiorgi wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:43 am
I am still eagerly waiting for Sam Burtis to join tc...

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Pre59 wrote: ↑
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:00 am
Giardinelli rim sizes? IME, add a hefty dose of "ish" to their specs.

Very true!

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Oh, man, and now I learn that when I played sax for all those years as a young man... I had the mouthpiece upside down! Thanks to this guy here. https://www.ebay.com/itm/362385623432 I am so embarrassed... So sorry, Tom - please don't cry! :weep: Trombone was also my consolation prize - my brother ...

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Found somewhere on the net: Giardinelli _____Inner Rim___Inner Rim___Bore____Bore Trombone _____Diameter____Diameter Mouthpieces ___(mm)_______(inch)______(mm)___(inch) (Screw Rims, S, F, W) 6M___________24,60_______0.9684______5,80_____0.2283 6D___________24,60________0.9684 _____5,95_____0.2342 5M...

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I'm afraid that I don't understand the criticism of Watrous, Fontana, Rosolino, .... Bill Watrous was able to play a little more gently himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3Va8qnQtM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDkBaQHItpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw6Hzm9iERU Or check out Bill's cad...

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The Special needs a narrower shank and he has an OLDS 3. Is there an Olds MP or one with a narrow shank that is equivalent to a 6.5AL? Unfortunately, if there is an Olds-shank near-equivalent to a 6½AL, it would be very rare. The Olds shank, though, is not that much smaller though, so standard smal...

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It NEVER bothers me to listen to the wonderful music produced by Bill Watrous, Frank Rosolino, Carl Fontana, Urbie Green, Dick Nash, J.J. Johnson, Kai Winding, and many of the other greats. Not too "soft" for me! And I also enjoy many contemporary jazz trombonists (Just to mention some of those I've...

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LeTromboniste wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:31 pm
This Romantic French trombone ...

What a stunning instrument. I can see why you were interested!

Do you know anything about it? Year built/used; size of bore, bell, etc.; where/how it was used (orchestra, opera, chamber, ...)?

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My dream horn was an Elkhart Conn 79H - and I found it, in very good condition!
Paid more than I was prepared to - but I now have it - and love it!

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Though your son's 88H is slightly different, it should still be held as in NeoBri's photo - just ignore the after-market silver-colored "hand support" that is clasped by the middle finger which he doesn't have. I expect that such a grip is awkward for a 95-pound boy - and would be hard to maintain w...

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Bill Watrous, apparently known in his younger days as being "difficult" to work with, seemingly mellowed a lot as he aged, and was a delight to have around for a variety of events, amateur and professional. His playing in his last year was still wonderful, smooth, melodic, and inspiring as ever. He ...

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Diana, Can't agree more with the previous posters. Please do everything you can to discourage the band director and your son from marching with this (possibly wonderful; certainly valuable) Conn 88H. It's too large and heavy to be used by anyone less than 115-120 pounds. He should really be marching...

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I TOTALLY agree!!!! But I will add Trombotine to the top of the list as my preferred slide lube! IMHO, the liquids work well on newer, pristine tubes, where the creams, I think, tend to fill in the corroded spots on older tubes to make them work better. Eric Eric, You may be right - in fact given y...

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The hard work has already been done, by experts in trombone slide lubrication. Skip the Frog Lube, the Pond's cold cream, and the Super Slick - instead drop by your local music store and spend a few bucks (<$10.00) for a modern, effective long-lasting trombone slide lubricant. My candidates: • Slide...

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I had never heard of Purviance mouthpieces until I saw a recent listing on eBay and followed the bidding - which ended today. They must be something special - or the trombone world is populated with obsessive collectors of exotica! ebay Item number: 183339012594 Purviance 3 Los Angeles Silver Plated...

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Yes, that was my Gene Watts mouthpiece that I sold a few years ago. ... Gene noticed that I was playing a Conn 8H at the time. He had one of his new mouthpieces with a Conn shank with him, and gave it to me. Jim Scott Jim, Thanks for the confirmation and the elaboration about this mouthpiece histor...

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Dave Ashley,
Welcome to TromboneChat.
Thanks for the info about the Schilke Dixon, and its similarity to a Bach 6½AL.
These differences are subtle, but real.
This mouthpiece should also work well on a medium-bore trombone.

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But - whether right or left-handed - can you play the Chinese trombone pointing vertically downward (like the trumpet) - and still move the slide?

I think I'll bring a pair of white gloves to my next rehearsal to look more professional!

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Congratulations and your purchase of what should be a fine instrument - and welcome back to the trombone world. In my opinion, the 45A and the 12C pieces are both too small for a 0.525" bore trombone. Too "thin" and "bright" for me. The Yamaha 48 should be just fine for almost everything you will be...

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R.I.P.

Love my Laskey 50C - perfect medium-bore mouthpiece.

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Where else would you find a bargain like this (price just reduced from $105.12!): https://www.ebay.com/i/173251412423?ul_noapp=true This makes me jealous of trumpeters, who can apparently play this instrument like a clarinet (as long as you hold it pointing straight down and use BOTH white gloves)! ...

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If anyone is interested in a gold-plated Remington mouthpiece, there's one listed now on eBay - starting bid $0.99 + $2.99 shipping: https://www.ebay.com/itm/302820439759?_trksid=p11001.c100357.m3752&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150112100313%26meid%3D187b8f68468648bea02...

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Continue to love your Contempora (almost certainly a Model 30-M). These were nice, professional-quality trombones, even if few professionals actually played them. A little quirky - oversize mouthpiece receivers, so Reynolds mouthpieces (with larger-than-standard shanks) fit best - if you can play th...

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Received a Remington mouthpiece with my brand new Conn 88H in 1972. Never could play very well with it. Had better luck switching to a Bach 6½AL (fashionable at the time). But really hit my sweet spot when I discovered a Schilke 51 with a Conn-compatible shank. Much more "playable" for me. Every onc...

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Bob Ferrett (eBay: rlferrett) had MANY mouthpieces listed on eBay - but I think they're all sold now.

No current appropriate listings on eBay - TromboneChat is your best bet.

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I also have one of these, also gold-plated, obtained from Jim Scott (thanks, Jim), who received it as a gift from Gene Watts. As I understand it, it was made by Getzen. I obtained it partly because it has a Conn 88H shank. Larry's description (size, shape, cup, contour) is pretty accurate. I like it...

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Is there any evidence to suggest switching rims a lot would make me worse at my primary? Doubtful. I switch regularly, depending on the trombone, type of music, the sound I want to produce (and, to be honest, my mood). I don't think it makes me any worse per se (though perhaps I was not very good t...

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tonyBbone wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:55 am
I’d have nightmares thinking this horn could possibly be used on a marching field or at a pep rally!

Indeed!

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The Benge 175 is medium bore (0.525 inches); the Benge 190F is large bore (0.547 in.). If you like the King 4B, you should keep your eyes out for a Benge 165 (the closed-wrap 0.547 in. bore brother of the Benge 190) - shares some design features and components with the King 4B (from the same factory...

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My credit card company rejected my $10,000 payment for a new Loud mouthpiece.

Did I do something wrong?

Perhaps I neglected to include sales tax!

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The Benge 165 is a large bore, (.547") 8½ inch bell. It's similar to the Benge 190F, only with a closed wrap. The 175 is a medium bore horn. The Holton and both Benges are pro horns. [They Benges] play a little more Conn-like than Bach-like. Depending on condition, I think the Benges are great valu...

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Neo Bri wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:56 pm
Tell Benn we say hello. Maybe he could join us here on TC!

Would love to see Benn participating in TromboneChat!

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Bill Watrous passed away peacefully at 7:30pm (PDT) on Monday, July 2, 2018. Bill was admitted to the hospital recently, and tests discovered he had several medical complications that had caused his declining health. Please pray for his wife, Mary Ann, and his son Jason as they grieve the loss of th...

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Vegastokc wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:49 am
Selling the clarinet seems to be the best idea in the whole string.

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All I can tell you for sure is that this trombone is NOT an Olds O-25. The Olds factory in Fullerton, CA operated into the mid-1970s, not too long after the departure of manufacturing guru Zig Kanstul. There were various efforts to keep the brand name alive, including moving manufacturing to Abilene...

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My 1972 88H ("R" serial number) was probably finished in Abilene from Elkhart parts. There is no manufacturing location on the bell - it's engraved "CONN - Made in U.S.A." It looks and plays exactly like the very fine earlier Elkhart 88Hs that I've played; I love it. When I bought it in 1972, it was...

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I have a 1972 88H - the rotor (with string linkage) works great. I think it's a lot more ergonomic than other F-attachment valves I have used. I don't think the open-wrap versions of the 88H are really any better. This is still my favorite large-bore trombone! There are some fine trombone technician...

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Great shot of the horns' double piston "Vienna valves" (Pumpenvalven) in action at 41:30!

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Maybe they are just Bach fans and expect everyone to have one. I don't know. I do know the Bach 42 is sort of the orchestral standard and perhaps its just a matter that will be the expectation to have when he enters college. My feeling was originally to have the Blessing get him to college where he...

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Black & White Laser is typically less expensive than inkjet, and output is much more durable. Laser printers are typically more robust than inkjets. And printheads won't dry out if you leave them idle for a month or two. Brother printers are typically cheapest of the name-brand lasers, and their ton...

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If you want trusted sellers of trombones, DJKennedy (active on the Trombone Forum, apparently not a presence on TromboneChat, and not on eBay) has a very good reputation.

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I presume when you say "complement" you mean that you want a smaller trombone that plays - or sounds - similar to your existing 0.547" bore F-attachment trombone ( e.g ., Conn 88H). Any smaller trombone will of course sound different than that. As noted before, the bell material is only one componen...

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Better yet to simply get a mouthpiece that fits the undersize Olds receiver.

If you don't like authentic Olds mouthpieces, have a tech (that knows what he's doing) "shave down" the shank of a standard small-shank mouthpiece you want to use. It works!

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