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by elmsandr
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Doug Elliott mouthpieces
Replies: 5
Views: 447

Re: Doug Elliott mouthpieces

Though I had commented on this earlier, but maybe I forgot to post. It is almost embarrassing for me how quickly he figured out what size would fit and do what I wanted. Probably a fifteen minute discussion and a look and I’ve now been playing the same thing for ~20 years. Every time I think I can d...
by elmsandr
Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Intermediate Bass Trombones
Replies: 23
Views: 762

Re: Intermediate Bass Trombones

tailgate wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:00 am
Any thoughts on the Holton 181. Do 10 inch bells require more air?
The diameter that the flare is trimmed to does not matter for air or perceived air. There are more differences I. The horns that will change how they blow, the diameter is not one of them.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:56 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bell slide distance
Replies: 6
Views: 258

Re: Bell slide distance

Not too hard. May just be able to 'cheat' the hand slide receiver to neck pipe joint a little to change the angle. However, it will most definitely burn the lacquer.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:50 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Outer slide tubes not parallel
Replies: 25
Views: 714

Re: Outer slide tubes not parallel

There are some braces that are not adjustable - they have no sockets. I think my Bach 36 LT slide is this way, but I've also seen others. That would require some inventive means to shorten the brace. That 36 slide does have sockets, they are just very short to save weight (assuming yours is a facto...
by elmsandr
Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:40 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: D attachment of 62H
Replies: 6
Views: 251

Re: D attachment of 62H

Well, if you don't want to keep the E-slide, the easiest thing would be to turn that into a D slide. They would pretty much need to custom bend the whole thing, using probably .678" tubing. I think if you went to 100 of the top techs for this, I don't think any of them would do this. Not many folks...
by elmsandr
Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:20 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Got to vent about a tbone seller
Replies: 17
Views: 867

Re: Got to vent about a tbone seller

Can't believe it, got skunked again! Facebook seller had a student horn, Manhasset stand, and tuner/metronome at a good price. I responded less than an hour after it was posted, said I would take it, when and where. She said OK and suggested meeting at a drug store parking lot in her neighborhood. ...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Leadpipe receiver reamers
Replies: 23
Views: 1004

Re: Leadpipe receiver reamers

About 1/2” beyond the end of the mouthpiece is the smallest portion of the leadpipe. Having that relationship between the mouthpiece and the leadpipe if pretty crucial for the horn to play well.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:24 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Case for multiple slides
Replies: 7
Views: 272

Re: Case for multiple slides

Arrow cases for archery may be an interesting option for you. Saw a picture of a homemade slide case made from archery supplies recently and it looked super clean and tidy.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:27 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Bell Receiver Preservation
Replies: 12
Views: 807

Re: Bell Receiver Preservation

Yeah, I'm talking about the part of the bell that the slide trunion goes into. It usually is the part with the nut on it, and new horns come with blue tape over this area. My hand goes well past the nut and about halfway up to the rotor on my Edwards (any horn, really). My hands are indeed huge... ...
by elmsandr
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:52 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: YBL 822/622 removable 2nd valve stuck
Replies: 3
Views: 378

Re: YBL 822/622 removable 2nd valve stuck

Might be a good idea to get in the habit of moving it a little every day you get your horn out. Not removing the valve altogether, but just moving in a little (1/4"~6mm) to make sure that it is not getting stuck in one place.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: FOIA and Fun(with Music, I swear)
Replies: 7
Views: 334

Re: FOIA and Fun(with Music, I swear)

Posaunus wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:30 pm
Good grief. The "President's Own" playing this ditty! What would have John Philip Sousa thought? :idk:
Washington Post was written to celebrate the winner of a youth essay contest... pretty sure if he got paid he would have been fine with it.

It’s music, man.
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach Mt Vernon Model 26
Replies: 12
Views: 1035

Re: Bach Mt Vernon Model 26

TromboneSam wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:04 pm
No problem, Dan!

For those who didn't catch the post on Facebook, this Bach 26 features an 8" bell and .515" bore. I imagine those were the standard specs for most 26's, given the specs of the other "medium-large" bore horns.
Which group? Were there pics?

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Keeping a horn "original"
Replies: 18
Views: 807

Re: Keeping a horn "original"

I've probably done as many modifications to rare and ancient horns as anybody around... They are just tools. That said, I do try to make all of my mods reversible. I made a NY45 interchangeable with Thayers. That was OK, but didn't work great, so I then make it work with Trubores. Great! I put some ...
by elmsandr
Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:39 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: FOIA and Fun(with Music, I swear)
Replies: 7
Views: 334

FOIA and Fun(with Music, I swear)

So, the Marine band played Baby Shark for the Nationals when they visited... Apparently somebody decided that it would be interesting to FOIA their arrangement. It worked: https://twitter.com/russelneiss/status/1202976144263405568?s=21 So, uh, can you FOIA the entire US Band Library if you are patie...
by elmsandr
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:45 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Joe Alessi
Replies: 141
Views: 8790

Re: Joe Alessi

I have wondered why the tuning slides on the F-attachment are so long, even when an E-pull isn't possible or intended. Is it for stability reasons, or is it just cheaper to make them that way? Even Bass trombones have very long attachment tuning slides. Conjecture: early F attachments didn’t have E...
by elmsandr
Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Does Marcus Bonna make custom bags?
Replies: 11
Views: 531

Re: Does Marcus Bonna make custom bags?

I think you are overestimating the amount of money to be made in this business. If they are plenty busy with where they are at, probably is better to leave a few bucks on the table.

Is Altieri still an option? They used to be very flexible for custom builds.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:12 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: TIS Construction - Any Advices / Links?
Replies: 20
Views: 1050

Re: TIS Construction - Any Advices / Links?

I have always wondered, so I will ask here. There is a tube inside the slide handle tube that is not all the way to the edge of the slide. Does this lip catch when you go out to the end of the slide? How much shorter is the slide then the handle inside? Makes it 2% trickier to get the outer slide o...
by elmsandr
Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: E-pull
Replies: 9
Views: 353

Re: E-pull

I only have one horn that will really support an E pull, and that only barely. For the couple of times I've used it, I have pulled a bit before I needed it, and put it back as soon as I could. Required about a page and a half out of the concert each time as I recall. I do not generally practice this...
by elmsandr
Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Holton TR450 MONSTER VALVE RAWR
Replies: 3
Views: 398

Re: FS: Holton TR450 MONSTER VALVE RAWR

Just a quick note, imgur gallery inserts never show correctly on this site when viewing on safari on an iPad for me.

Looks better on my PC in Chrome.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Cimbasso instead of bass trombone
Replies: 65
Views: 2534

Re: Cimbasso instead of bass trombone

It's not as uncommon in a lot of places as you might think. Before I moved out here, in the northern WV/southern PA area the bands I played in seldom used mutes. In my experience it is more this high-middle semi-pro level group that cares more about mutes. Top of the world pros, sure they have opin...
by elmsandr
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Cimbasso instead of bass trombone
Replies: 65
Views: 2534

Re: Cimbasso instead of bass trombone

A better solution for OP is going to be to start physical therapy for their injured shoulder. This kind of thing does not get better on its own, and the earlier the problem is addressed, the more manageable it will be. Unlike embouchure injury, a shoulder injury does not only affect playing, but al...
by elmsandr
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Carbon slide for TIS horns
Replies: 6
Views: 588

Re: Carbon slide for TIS horns

One challenge would be the TIS mechanism. The inner slide tube dimensions of a Carbon Fiber slide are very precise and smooth because it's wrapped on a mandrel. The outer slide tube dimensions, not so much. You'd need to have an outer surface that is very smooth and consistent so that the tuning me...
by elmsandr
Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: Technology
Topic: Microphone for trombone and trumpet: Dynamic vs Ribbon?
Replies: 12
Views: 835

Re: Microphone for trombone and trumpet: Dynamic vs Ribbon?

Ribbon mics are great, but they are very fragile. I would recommend a large condenser. As mentioned above you want something that's a flatter frequency response around the 2-5kHz range. I personally love my Audio Technica AT4050. It sounds like it's a bit out of your budget, but you should be able ...
by elmsandr
Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Who is Florida Man?
Replies: 16
Views: 922

Re: Who is Florida Man?

Why does this super hero, Florida Man, keep making headlines? And how is it that he has so much fun, while he is off saving the world, and making headlines!? I realize this is just a joke prompt, but the real reason is that Florida actually has some pretty great public disclosure laws for public ag...
by elmsandr
Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:38 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: New Butler, or Butler mod
Replies: 8
Views: 694

Re: New Butler, or Butler mod

As I noted in the other thread, I have some things I am still working through on my slide to see if I really like it, but in all reality my experience is about the same here... the sound is at the very least “quite acceptable”. It may, in time, prove to be even better than that, but it is taking som...
by elmsandr
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:21 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: TR180 handslide receiver
Replies: 5
Views: 505

Re: TR180 handslide receiver

The parts from a TR 181 should be pretty much the same. The 2 horns used the same led pipe and slide for sure. Since Conn-Selmer-King-Stormdoor Company sti8ll makes the TR181, you should be able to get parts. Yah, but I have a drawer full of Bach parts. Got at least a pair of 50B hand slide receive...
by elmsandr
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: TR180 handslide receiver
Replies: 5
Views: 505

TR180 handslide receiver

So, anybody have one handy? I’ve found myself with a TR 180 missing a handslide and handslide receiver. What is the length on the handslide receiver? Could it be replaced by a Bach part? I assume the brace socket is brazed on them and not soldered like the Bach parts, correct? I’m not much of a Holt...
by elmsandr
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Butler Trombone Slide
Replies: 21
Views: 5453

Re: Butler Trombone Slide

Still working through some issues with my bass slide, don't want to go too deep into that until I resolve them to my satisfaction. That said... -I would recommend that you use Butler to make an outer slide. That part is great, if they fit it to the horn, fantastic. -I would NOT recommend having them...
by elmsandr
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:03 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Getzen 1047F. Thoughts?
Replies: 9
Views: 801

Re: Getzen 1047F. Thoughts?

For Getzen (FWIW): 300/400 = Student 500/700 = Capri/Eterna II = Intermediate 800/900/1000 = Eterna pro fixed horns (basses have interchangeable leadpipes) (sometimes called Semi-pro) 3000 = Custom Series pro horns based on Edwards designs; interchangeable leadpipes; tenors and basses somewhat modu...
by elmsandr
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: If, when, and how to try a different mouthpiece?
Replies: 13
Views: 1033

Re: If, when, and how to try a different mouthpiece?

The older I get, the harder it is for me to switch mouthpieces. I used to be able to acclimate to different rims pretty quickly. Now it takes me 10s if not 100s of hours of face time to figure them out. I tend to know within an hour or so if there is something there that is worth pursuing, however. ...
by elmsandr
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Hulot valve
Replies: 4
Views: 542

Re: Hulot valve

Never played one, but there were at least a few made.
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Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:28 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Differences between different valves/triggers
Replies: 10
Views: 762

Re: Differences between different valves/triggers

As a Tech, I do not agree that Thayers are more maintenance intensive! In fact, they are easier to disassemble & maintain than ANY other valve!! I do agree that Hagmann valves are the most delicate of the bunch, IMHO, due to the lack of support across the open end of the casing. ALL valves require ...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:12 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Dual-bore slide in single-bore horn bell? + Rotor with weird bore size
Replies: 11
Views: 999

Re: Dual-bore slide in single-bore horn bell? + Rotor with weird bore size

I would object to saying that anything has really been "optimized." I am not sure if there has been much engineering. There has been some drafting, and sure they are generally sized, but I do not know if there is a theoretical or mathematical basis for selecting the size that is on any given design....
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Double valvers: do you tune both valves ...
Replies: 10
Views: 690

Re: Double valvers: do you tune both valves ...

Rarely do I ever have to adjust my valve slides. Only for some real extreme pitch/temperature changes in some groups.

I also leave them sharp as noted above so that there is room to adjust with the slide on all pitches.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:02 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Idea for trigger trombone ergonomics improvement
Replies: 12
Views: 951

Re: Idea for trigger trombone ergonomics improvement

Yes, it was just a custom Thayer installation on a Straight 42. As I recall from asking him about this, the lever here was just what they could figure out when they realized that the handslide receiver on a 42B isn't the same as on a 42, not a designed difference for any ergonomic advantage. Having ...
by elmsandr
Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Idea for trigger trombone ergonomics improvement
Replies: 12
Views: 951

Re: Idea for trigger trombone ergonomics improvement

Scott Hartman’s horn was like that until he went to a Shires horn.

Good picture here:
http://www1.udel.edu/udaily/2013/feb/tr ... 21113.html

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:33 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: BACH 42 GH TROMBONE
Replies: 16
Views: 1063

Re: BACH 42 GH TROMBONE

In the wild days of the mid 90s, I bought a GH bell flare. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Now, for some sentimental reasons, I will never sell this flare, but I will note that it does not even fit any of my neckpipes or valve sections that I have for a 42. I have parts to fix that, I have had ...
by elmsandr
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Earl Williams Model 10
Replies: 118
Views: 7611

Re: Earl Williams Model 10

Contemplating on doing a double valve/trigger setup on my Williams 10 that used to belong to Karl DeKarske. Wondering if I should opt for a drop-in second valve or have a second valve added to the existing setup. If I had the money I’d buy the 10 for sale over at Horn Stash, but it’s just too much....
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:53 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project
Replies: 32
Views: 2308

Re: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project

Oohh.. If you want to practice, I have a 1908 Holton Monster Eb that I've wanted to do something similar to. It is a 3V top action and I want to make it a 4V/5V maybe front action do-all horn. Side note, this Martin Eb is the horn I most regret passing on: d0_1.jpg It was only $3K and a half hour aw...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:19 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: F$#king high G
Replies: 15
Views: 833

Re: F$#king high G

I need to work on this as well... my current plan: 1 Re-learn the buzz. If we can find the old thread on Sam's "breaking the embouchure code", he had a great method there similar to an exercise I learned a long time ago as well.. Play pitches (maybe moving up and down a scale a note or two), keep em...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:08 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Cases
Topic: WTB: Custom made bass trombone case
Replies: 2
Views: 399

Re: WTB: Custom made bass trombone case

Take the tuning slide out and just have a pouch made or use a mute bag or some small woodwind bag for it. I used to use a Tuxedo flute bag for a spare valve section, almost looked like it was made for it and had loops to thread through the shoulder strap of the bag I used for my horn.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:48 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Butler Trombone Slide
Replies: 21
Views: 5453

Re: Butler Trombone Slide

Just received my Butler 50B type slide today. Put in a pretty good session going back and forth between this and an old Bach slide that I have... I agree with Doug Yeo. “This is not a toy.” In a room by myself, this thing seems to have a very real and very natural response. With the Bach leadpipe, i...
by elmsandr
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project
Replies: 32
Views: 2308

Re: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project

Mounting Thayers and then finding the need to adjust them may absolve you of the notion that this is easy... Although if you are used to getting things fit flush and square to a machinists level they aren't too bad. As for that Alto pattern... I know it was mentioned that it was 70H, I do not recall...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:35 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project
Replies: 32
Views: 2308

Re: Large bore valve trombone/"do everything horn" project

Excellent Frankenhorning!

Been meaning to do something like this (well, the valve section at least), but I've got a billion other projects in the way first.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: vintage player ID
Replies: 12
Views: 997

Re: vintage player ID

Not a 42B. Maybe a Conn. notice the rounded trim on the brace sockets. Could even be an ancient Conn with a string pull F attachment, why else would you have your thumb there?

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Cryogenics study
Replies: 59
Views: 2859

Re: Cryogenics study

harrisonreed wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:21 am
Of course! Why bring up an article from two decades ago now, was my rhetorical question...
Hey, it's still newer than all my horns, so it is still new to them.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:08 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Thayer french horn
Replies: 25
Views: 1605

Re: Thayer french horn

Folks, there’s a picture in the dang patent... the second path for compensation enters parallel to the axis of rotation, but not at the center like the first path. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4469002A/en https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/82/77/c3/443265121433e7/US4469002-drawings-p...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Plastic miniball linkages
Replies: 9
Views: 697

Re: Plastic miniball linkages

... Anyway I'm trying to find an afordable soloution to my clanky bach linkage. The clanky Bach linkage can work beautifully. Take it apart, clean it, pack it with grease, and reassemble it. Adjust it precisely. Use a good linkage oil on all the other points of contact. Done. A note on the adjust i...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:58 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Cryogenics study
Replies: 59
Views: 2859

Re: Cryogenics study

They weren't using the same horns... but that is kinda the point, you need to try to control some variables (the date of the playing for example) and try to average out the answers. That is a really good way to tease out limited effects. The main change they could have used here was to try larger s...

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