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by elmsandr
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:30 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: The Bach 50 thread
Replies: 12
Views: 467

Re: The Bach 50 thread

HawaiiTromboneGuy wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:06 am

If you ever want to sell me back that NY 50, let me know. Hands down the best Bach 50 I’ve ever played.
Well, they say never say never... So I guess I need a thesaurus.

Some horns just have "it".
Andy
by elmsandr
Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: The Bach 50 thread
Replies: 12
Views: 467

Re: The Bach 50 thread

Ooooh, fun. First bass was a school owned Corp 50B that I had repaired to working condition. Great paper thin bell, easy speaking and a lot of fun. Finally got my own beat up 50B2, a silver plated horn that looked decent after a little work and was generally functional. Was so happy to get an Edward...
by elmsandr
Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:43 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Portable Music Stand recommendations?
Replies: 32
Views: 528

Re: Portable Music Stand recommendations?

If you get the Desca, also get a couple of his folders as well. Heck, get the folders even if you don't get the stand. They have elastic to hold on to the desk of the stand and clear pockets to hold down the music from wind and you can read through them. For me, the best part is the flap at the top....
by elmsandr
Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:14 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Edwards/Getzen large tenor bells
Replies: 3
Views: 207

Re: Edwards/Getzen large tenor bells

Well, I am not sure about the newer models (custom reserve, Bousfield, Alessi), but ALL of the Edwards numbered bells from the 8" to the 9" medium and large bore tenors share(d) the same mandrel as did all medium and large bore Getzens developed in that time (725, 747, 1047, 3047). You can figure ou...
by elmsandr
Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Advantages of axial flow valves
Replies: 73
Views: 1825

Re: Advantages of axial flow valves

I don't agreee with axials being tough to maintain. Who is deciding that? I don't even play on axials, but I'd prefer to maintain them. Anyone who has ever reseated a bearing plate would know that axials, which literally come apart with a twist of a few screws and a ring, are way easier to take apa...
by elmsandr
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:59 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Getting a nice patina
Replies: 20
Views: 613

Re: Getting a nice patina

https://www.sciencecompany.com/-W160.aspx

Better living through chemistry.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Advantages of axial flow valves
Replies: 73
Views: 1825

Re: Advantages of axial flow valves

You can get addicted to how they blow, especially on a bass bone. It can just be so easy and open down low that you seem powerful and fully in control with less effort. I still love them, but I am turning gradually to easier maintenance horns. A couple of Shires trubores and a 60-70 year old rotor. ...
by elmsandr
Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:08 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: MV Bach slide compability
Replies: 5
Views: 321

Re: MV Bach slide compability

As mentioned in the other thread, I have a lot of old Bachs. Currently I have a NY 50 and 45; Mt. V 42, 45; and Elkhart 42 and 50. Slides from 1940's-1990's. They are all interchangeable. Not even a 'well, kinda.' They all are perfectly interchangeable. I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that a ta...
by elmsandr
Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:50 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: screw bell case roundup
Replies: 34
Views: 3669

Re: screw bell case roundup

Having been picking up somebody at the airport and dropping them off... You get a lot more questions before and after security from "helpful" people that think they know what you have than you have problems with the security personnel. A big sticker that says "trombone" goes a long way to answer a l...
by elmsandr
Wed Mar 06, 2019 9:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach instruments and their consistency.
Replies: 24
Views: 1170

Re: Bach instruments and their consistency.

Is a ringing bell or a dead bell better? When you thump it with a thumb, what do you want? And this is just choosing one item that they actually check at Bach while spinning flares. Please forgive me for deviating a bit, but this is too interesting not to ask - how do they check this? During spinni...
by elmsandr
Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:27 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach instruments and their consistency.
Replies: 24
Views: 1170

Re: Bach instruments and their consistency.

I have found that the assembly of the parts makes the most difference..leadpipes are also inconsistent For the 50, other than different valve sections, the parts have been *essentially* the same for around 60 years. ... This is a great point. I have several Old Bachs. NY 34, 45, and 50; Mt V 42 and...
by elmsandr
Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:54 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach instruments and their consistency.
Replies: 24
Views: 1170

Re: Bach instruments and their consistency.

The other funky thing about instrument building is that the difference between a winner and a brick isn't always something you can measure with a machine. If it were, they wouldn't ship clunkers. I agree and disagree with this statement. Being in manufacturing and often working in gaging, I bet you...
by elmsandr
Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:25 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach bass valves on Edwards
Replies: 5
Views: 305

Re: Bach bass valves on Edwards

Take the worst part of the Bach horn and build an Edwards around it? Why? Half the reason Edwards exist is to replace the valve sections on Bach horns. But for real, yes, you could. Need the ferrule and inner tuning slide and some disconnect braces that you can get from OE Thayer. I still wouldn’t d...
by elmsandr
Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: F-Attachment Maintenance
Replies: 7
Views: 471

Re: F-Attachment Maintenance

I oil mine. I think. Do it every now and then when it is clanking more than I think it should. Much easier than Thayers or other fancy valves that need a lot more careful oiling and consistency. I have an ancient couple of horns that I think were oiled some time in the last 30 years, but the valves ...
by elmsandr
Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: TMEA lost & found?
Replies: 3
Views: 551

Re: TMEA lost & found?

If it isn't an old Crown Royal bag, I don't understand the concept.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: screw bell case roundup
Replies: 34
Views: 3669

Re: screw bell case roundup

That is a beautiful adaptation. May have to pick one up for myself.
by elmsandr
Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Edwards slide on a Holton?
Replies: 1
Views: 189

Re: Edwards slide on a Holton?

The answer is "Sometimes". The question usually revolves around the depth of the tapers on the Holton. If a Bach slide fits, I'd put it at 95%+ that an Edwards slide will fit as well. The Edwards slide is ~1/2" shorter, however.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:36 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Kanstul CR valve
Replies: 6
Views: 491

Re: Kanstul CR valve

By luck I just recently got some pics of a CR valve in service.

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Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bell section comes loose & falls over
Replies: 16
Views: 892

Re: Bell section comes loose & falls over

Older trombones didn't have the screw at all, and they even did mute changes without it. Yeah, but they added the nut because the use of mutes and heavier bell sections required more friction than you could produce with just the slip fit. The nut just jambs the parts together on the tapered tenon, ...
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: What's so great about Schilke 51D?
Replies: 20
Views: 1091

Re: What's so great about Schilke 51D?

Agreed, the 51D is over-prescribed as a trombone mouthpiece. Doesn't really make sense there.

Now the 51... Aside from the fact that I HATED the rim, I think I probably sounded better on that piece because I used to practice a LOT more when that was all I had.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 38
Views: 2297

Re: Small Bass

Large shank 525 pipes?? Who makes them?... And 562 size 547 pipes?... Available? Lots of companies make large-shank .525" pipes - but you can't just plug one into any old .525" bore instrument. It's got to be set up for it. Gotta have room for that large-shank receiver, and it's too big to fit into...
by elmsandr
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Where can I buy screw bell parts?
Replies: 3
Views: 462

Re: Where can I buy screw bell parts?

Instrument innovations sells some new ones. I think I may have a set somewhere in my toolbox, I’ll dig and take a look. Didn’t fit on my flare that I was going to convert (the flare isn’t round.. oops). For cases, I picked up a Shires case. I’d be willing to sell it for what I paid (about $300). It ...
by elmsandr
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:10 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 38
Views: 2297

Re: Small Bass

Having multiple slides, I feel there is a better balance to the sound with the right leadpipe than with the correct bore. I would love to have a variety of bass intended pipes made for a .547. If they came out like how I imagine them, I'd love to have a stealth .547/.562 bass.. even for my bigger ca...
by elmsandr
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 38
Views: 2297

Re: Small Bass

First, I'm a big fan of smaller basses. My "go-to" horn that I prefer is a 9 1/2" flare Bach 45 (smaller throat and tuning slide than a 50), a .562 slide, and either a single or dependent valve section (currently I have this set up with Shires Bass Trubores). I have also owned an Olds similar to you...
by elmsandr
Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 2954

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

That said, still trying to build a long double slide in Eb so that I can use my straight Bach 45 in more settings... Cheers, Andy Would that be EEb? Sounds useful. Yup. Also probably good for a double take or two with the straight bell section and the bass sound. Lengths line up pretty good for som...
by elmsandr
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:31 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 2954

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

I practice them and use them almost every time I play in public, in the form of tritone intervals. Ain't no big deal.. No big deal to you. I have tables of data that can tell us what percentage of people in each physical size range will have problems. That’s why there are industrial ergonomics. Can...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:52 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 2954

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

I sometimes wonder if the players who have problems with the lower positions are using a stiff vertical grip, rather than a more supple and open 45 degree one past the 4th. Also, whether much time has been spent learning to include these "alternate" shifts in normal practice? After all, it's the re...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Cleaning a very dirty and old instrument
Replies: 10
Views: 784

Re: Cleaning a very dirty and old instrument

Not brass-o. Maybe Wright’s Brass polish if necessary. BrassO has abrasives in it, not good for most places on a trombone.

Neither of these are good for lacquer, but if there isn’t any lacquer that’s not a problem.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Morbid thought: who will play my horns after I'm gone?
Replies: 18
Views: 998

Re: Morbid thought: who will play my horns after I'm gone?

I've written a note for my wife of a few good resources of where to take the good ones (Brassark and some friends). I'm only concerned that the really nice unique pieces I have do not get destroyed or lost to history. There are only so many Fuch's for example. A similar thought from the world of cla...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:36 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Leadpipes? Do I have one?
Replies: 10
Views: 672

Re: Leadpipes? Do I have one?

Bigger than a minefield... kinda like an asteroid belt. Some variables that can be adjusted in leadpipes (in no particular order): Length Rate of taper Venturi diameter Location of the Venturi (usually 1/2” after the mouthpiece) Thickness Material So, almost none of these are documented along with t...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length
Replies: 29
Views: 1968

Re: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length

Just checked my stash, all of my large shank MTV pieces are 3.25” nominal (not going to argue .020 or so). The couple of Elkhart pieces I have, including the new artisan 1 1/2G share that same length. The CB mouthpiece is 3.625 if y’all are curious there. Guess I don’t have any of the longer ones, A...
by elmsandr
Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 917

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Nah, Dan's kinda hated FB for a long time. He was periodically going dark on there before it was cool. He looks like he deleted just recently again. I was pretty sure he was tagged in the photo and that was posted just a month ago and his book came out a while ago. I did sorta expect him to be aroun...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 917

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Check out Judith Meyer on Facebook. I don't think John has his own page. I see the occasional picture as I am friends with Curtis Olson and Dan Mattson. Looks like Dan deleted his page again, so updates will probably be less frequent.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 917

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Well, I saw a picture of him burning his tails in a fire pit on Facebook, so I think he is happy with the vanishing.

I think there was another picture of him just a couple of weeks ago with Bob and Dan, so I think he’s just enjoying some time off.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: I need a good repair tech to help fix an out of tune bass trombone 2nd valve
Replies: 11
Views: 1183

Re: I need a good repair tech to help fix an out of tune bass trombone 2nd valve

Locally, you can check out Kevin Powers at Custom Music Corp in Ferndale. Across the state, I have a buddy that can do a great job over in Kalamazoo, Steve Serra at Meyer Music. The guys up at Meridian Winds also do decent work, but I don’t know who’s doing brass work there these days. This should b...
by elmsandr
Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:15 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 1466

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

I have often thought that it may have more to do with this than perhaps anything acoustic in the horn. That said, I do not feel good on any lightweight slide I've ever played. Brass or nickel, I just seem to lose control and center of pitches. I am, as always, convinced that this is an issue with me...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:07 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 1466

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

I have a M&W TIS Bass slide that they made for a Conn Fuchs I am working on bringing back to life that you can try on any Bach or Shires taper receiver that you have if you want to come over and play. It is an amazing slide and I do not know how much of that is directly attributed to the TIS, but I ...
by elmsandr
Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:00 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Advice from successful orchestra auditions or auditions committee members
Replies: 6
Views: 1134

Re: Advice from successful orchestra auditions or auditions committee members

Check out “The Brass Junkies” podcast. Interviews with many folks who have both gone through auditions and been on the committees. As the intended audience is mostly college students, there is a TON of discussion about audition prep in many of the episodes. There are almost 100 out there, with all b...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 38
Views: 3670

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

Related, I am in the market for some inexpensive .562 and .590 bore pistons if anybody has some laying around. There was a German company that was doing piston conversions. Required a weird handrest and a major modification to the main bell brace. Still think it would be interesting to try. I can’t ...
by elmsandr
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Stuck thayer valve(s)
Replies: 14
Views: 12698

Re: Stuck thayer valve(s)

This is almost impossible to diagnose over the internet. I will say the following things: -Thayers eat oil. May need to be oiled and moved daily to keep them happy. -Thayers can be too tight, the fit may have to be opened up. I would not let but a few folks do this. Not hard, but easy to screw up. -...
by elmsandr
Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:50 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Shires Leadpipe In-Between 1/4 Sizes
Replies: 6
Views: 1770

Re: Shires Leadpipe In-Between 1/4 Sizes

There is usually a straight section at the large end of large bore and bass lead pipes, so the length can be a separate variable from the venturi. For example, Edwards trims their sterling silver leadpipes to a different length than their brass leadpipes.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:37 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Travel case for music, music stand, and trombone stand.
Replies: 11
Views: 2068

Re: Travel case for music, music stand, and trombone stand.

Go to Lowes or Home Depot, they have a variety of small black 'tool bags' that work. Some even come with wheels. I have a 24" long fabric bag with shoulder strap and a ~19x16x12" with wheels. Both carry everything under the sun and were relatively affordable.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 4642

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Lol. Getzen has the thinnest ferrules. Heres is proof. And i accounted for a place for the solder. Neat. Now measure how thick the inner large tuning slide is at the ferrule you took of the tuning slide bow. There is a huge step in that ferrule and socket assembly to accommodate the tapered inner t...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 4642

Re: Calling all horn makers!

A 0.002" gap is not the generally specified gap for a solder filled joint. On a trombone or even in the electronics industry. Also, from experience building horns, I REALLY dislike adding thicker ferrules/tubing. In general, I want to minimize the number of joints and then also minimize the thicknes...
by elmsandr
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 4642

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Well, poor fit of Bach Ferrules is something I’ve never seen. They are generally pretty good at the manufacture of components there. In the machining areas they are generally spot on. It is the variable fit area where I see them missing on some opportunities for precision. The only times I’ve had is...
by elmsandr
Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:41 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 4642

Re: Calling all horn makers!

If you go to a lot of different factories and repair shops, you’ll find both. There are some that measure everything and use jigs, some that use jigs and do it all by feel, some that use no jigs and measure everything etc.... The thing is, most jigs built for horn manufacture are pretty simple early...
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!
Replies: 24
Views: 3535

Re: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!

I know this thread is a bit older than a normal reply. But just for infos sake! Williams used the same pipe in the 4 and the 6 horns. .490 and .500 same pipe he just cut the length for the 4 that way it would fit either horn. The mouthpiece end is a Morse taper very standard thing, so if the other ...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:28 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What horn is this?
Replies: 14
Views: 2085

Re: What horn is this?

No, this is a Holton.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: College Marching Band
Replies: 7
Views: 864

Re: College Marching Band

Your kid should check with the college. Not all colleges allow a trigger on the field. Some provide instruments for gamedays, some for practice and gamedays. Really need to understand what college and what that band uses before any suggestion here could really make much sense. Related, may want to s...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: What's the difference between trombone and cello?
Replies: 41
Views: 2604

Re: What's the difference between trombone and cello?

The cello burns longer? But slightly more seriously, just listen to a couple of Bach cello suites played on both... the other joke that one should practice the suites daily but never play them in public is a decent reminder. The trombone just doesn’t do that. String instruments do not take breaths. ...

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