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by elmsandr
Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bell section comes loose & falls over
Replies: 16
Views: 371

Re: Bell section comes loose & falls over

Older trombones didn't have the screw at all, and they even did mute changes without it. Yeah, but they added the nut because the use of mutes and heavier bell sections required more friction than you could produce with just the slip fit. The nut just jambs the parts together on the tapered tenon, ...
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:47 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: What's so great about Schilke 51D?
Replies: 20
Views: 543

Re: What's so great about Schilke 51D?

Agreed, the 51D is over-prescribed as a trombone mouthpiece. Doesn't really make sense there.

Now the 51... Aside from the fact that I HATED the rim, I think I probably sounded better on that piece because I used to practice a LOT more when that was all I had.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 25
Views: 1021

Re: Small Bass

Large shank 525 pipes?? Who makes them?... And 562 size 547 pipes?... Available? Lots of companies make large-shank .525" pipes - but you can't just plug one into any old .525" bore instrument. It's got to be set up for it. Gotta have room for that large-shank receiver, and it's too big to fit into...
by elmsandr
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Where can I buy screw bell parts?
Replies: 3
Views: 245

Re: Where can I buy screw bell parts?

Instrument innovations sells some new ones. I think I may have a set somewhere in my toolbox, I’ll dig and take a look. Didn’t fit on my flare that I was going to convert (the flare isn’t round.. oops). For cases, I picked up a Shires case. I’d be willing to sell it for what I paid (about $300). It ...
by elmsandr
Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:10 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 25
Views: 1021

Re: Small Bass

Having multiple slides, I feel there is a better balance to the sound with the right leadpipe than with the correct bore. I would love to have a variety of bass intended pipes made for a .547. If they came out like how I imagine them, I'd love to have a stealth .547/.562 bass.. even for my bigger ca...
by elmsandr
Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:57 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Small Bass
Replies: 25
Views: 1021

Re: Small Bass

First, I'm a big fan of smaller basses. My "go-to" horn that I prefer is a 9 1/2" flare Bach 45 (smaller throat and tuning slide than a 50), a .562 slide, and either a single or dependent valve section (currently I have this set up with Shires Bass Trubores). I have also owned an Olds similar to you...
by elmsandr
Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 1732

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

That said, still trying to build a long double slide in Eb so that I can use my straight Bach 45 in more settings... Cheers, Andy Would that be EEb? Sounds useful. Yup. Also probably good for a double take or two with the straight bell section and the bass sound. Lengths line up pretty good for som...
by elmsandr
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:31 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 1732

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

I practice them and use them almost every time I play in public, in the form of tritone intervals. Ain't no big deal.. No big deal to you. I have tables of data that can tell us what percentage of people in each physical size range will have problems. That’s why there are industrial ergonomics. Can...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:52 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 62
Views: 1732

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

I sometimes wonder if the players who have problems with the lower positions are using a stiff vertical grip, rather than a more supple and open 45 degree one past the 4th. Also, whether much time has been spent learning to include these "alternate" shifts in normal practice? After all, it's the re...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Cleaning a very dirty and old instrument
Replies: 10
Views: 450

Re: Cleaning a very dirty and old instrument

Not brass-o. Maybe Wright’s Brass polish if necessary. BrassO has abrasives in it, not good for most places on a trombone.

Neither of these are good for lacquer, but if there isn’t any lacquer that’s not a problem.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Morbid thought: who will play my horns after I'm gone?
Replies: 18
Views: 578

Re: Morbid thought: who will play my horns after I'm gone?

I've written a note for my wife of a few good resources of where to take the good ones (Brassark and some friends). I'm only concerned that the really nice unique pieces I have do not get destroyed or lost to history. There are only so many Fuch's for example. A similar thought from the world of cla...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:36 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Leadpipes? Do I have one?
Replies: 10
Views: 425

Re: Leadpipes? Do I have one?

Bigger than a minefield... kinda like an asteroid belt. Some variables that can be adjusted in leadpipes (in no particular order): Length Rate of taper Venturi diameter Location of the Venturi (usually 1/2” after the mouthpiece) Thickness Material So, almost none of these are documented along with t...
by elmsandr
Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length
Replies: 29
Views: 1387

Re: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length

Just checked my stash, all of my large shank MTV pieces are 3.25” nominal (not going to argue .020 or so). The couple of Elkhart pieces I have, including the new artisan 1 1/2G share that same length. The CB mouthpiece is 3.625 if y’all are curious there. Guess I don’t have any of the longer ones, A...
by elmsandr
Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 624

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Nah, Dan's kinda hated FB for a long time. He was periodically going dark on there before it was cool. He looks like he deleted just recently again. I was pretty sure he was tagged in the photo and that was posted just a month ago and his book came out a while ago. I did sorta expect him to be aroun...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 624

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Check out Judith Meyer on Facebook. I don't think John has his own page. I see the occasional picture as I am friends with Curtis Olson and Dan Mattson. Looks like Dan deleted his page again, so updates will probably be less frequent.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?
Replies: 9
Views: 624

Re: Where's John Meyer, Grand Rapids Symphony?

Well, I saw a picture of him burning his tails in a fire pit on Facebook, so I think he is happy with the vanishing.

I think there was another picture of him just a couple of weeks ago with Bob and Dan, so I think he’s just enjoying some time off.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: I need a good repair tech to help fix an out of tune bass trombone 2nd valve
Replies: 8
Views: 578

Re: I need a good repair tech to help fix an out of tune bass trombone 2nd valve

Locally, you can check out Kevin Powers at Custom Music Corp in Ferndale. Across the state, I have a buddy that can do a great job over in Kalamazoo, Steve Serra at Meyer Music. The guys up at Meridian Winds also do decent work, but I don’t know who’s doing brass work there these days. This should b...
by elmsandr
Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:15 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 1054

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

I have often thought that it may have more to do with this than perhaps anything acoustic in the horn. That said, I do not feel good on any lightweight slide I've ever played. Brass or nickel, I just seem to lose control and center of pitches. I am, as always, convinced that this is an issue with me...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:07 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 1054

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

I have a M&W TIS Bass slide that they made for a Conn Fuchs I am working on bringing back to life that you can try on any Bach or Shires taper receiver that you have if you want to come over and play. It is an amazing slide and I do not know how much of that is directly attributed to the TIS, but I ...
by elmsandr
Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:00 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Advice from successful orchestra auditions or auditions committee members
Replies: 6
Views: 933

Re: Advice from successful orchestra auditions or auditions committee members

Check out “The Brass Junkies” podcast. Interviews with many folks who have both gone through auditions and been on the committees. As the intended audience is mostly college students, there is a TON of discussion about audition prep in many of the episodes. There are almost 100 out there, with all b...
by elmsandr
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 38
Views: 2990

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

Related, I am in the market for some inexpensive .562 and .590 bore pistons if anybody has some laying around. There was a German company that was doing piston conversions. Required a weird handrest and a major modification to the main bell brace. Still think it would be interesting to try. I can’t ...
by elmsandr
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:02 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Stuck thayer valve(s)
Replies: 12
Views: 12119

Re: Stuck thayer valve(s)

This is almost impossible to diagnose over the internet. I will say the following things: -Thayers eat oil. May need to be oiled and moved daily to keep them happy. -Thayers can be too tight, the fit may have to be opened up. I would not let but a few folks do this. Not hard, but easy to screw up. -...
by elmsandr
Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:50 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Shires Leadpipe In-Between 1/4 Sizes
Replies: 6
Views: 1540

Re: Shires Leadpipe In-Between 1/4 Sizes

There is usually a straight section at the large end of large bore and bass lead pipes, so the length can be a separate variable from the venturi. For example, Edwards trims their sterling silver leadpipes to a different length than their brass leadpipes.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:37 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Travel case for music, music stand, and trombone stand.
Replies: 11
Views: 1796

Re: Travel case for music, music stand, and trombone stand.

Go to Lowes or Home Depot, they have a variety of small black 'tool bags' that work. Some even come with wheels. I have a 24" long fabric bag with shoulder strap and a ~19x16x12" with wheels. Both carry everything under the sun and were relatively affordable.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:35 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3818

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Lol. Getzen has the thinnest ferrules. Heres is proof. And i accounted for a place for the solder. Neat. Now measure how thick the inner large tuning slide is at the ferrule you took of the tuning slide bow. There is a huge step in that ferrule and socket assembly to accommodate the tapered inner t...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:11 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3818

Re: Calling all horn makers!

A 0.002" gap is not the generally specified gap for a solder filled joint. On a trombone or even in the electronics industry. Also, from experience building horns, I REALLY dislike adding thicker ferrules/tubing. In general, I want to minimize the number of joints and then also minimize the thicknes...
by elmsandr
Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3818

Re: Calling all horn makers!

Well, poor fit of Bach Ferrules is something I’ve never seen. They are generally pretty good at the manufacture of components there. In the machining areas they are generally spot on. It is the variable fit area where I see them missing on some opportunities for precision. The only times I’ve had is...
by elmsandr
Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:41 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Calling all horn makers!
Replies: 43
Views: 3818

Re: Calling all horn makers!

If you go to a lot of different factories and repair shops, you’ll find both. There are some that measure everything and use jigs, some that use jigs and do it all by feel, some that use no jigs and measure everything etc.... The thing is, most jigs built for horn manufacture are pretty simple early...
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!
Replies: 24
Views: 2978

Re: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!

I know this thread is a bit older than a normal reply. But just for infos sake! Williams used the same pipe in the 4 and the 6 horns. .490 and .500 same pipe he just cut the length for the 4 that way it would fit either horn. The mouthpiece end is a Morse taper very standard thing, so if the other ...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:28 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What horn is this?
Replies: 14
Views: 1884

Re: What horn is this?

No, this is a Holton.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: College Marching Band
Replies: 7
Views: 680

Re: College Marching Band

Your kid should check with the college. Not all colleges allow a trigger on the field. Some provide instruments for gamedays, some for practice and gamedays. Really need to understand what college and what that band uses before any suggestion here could really make much sense. Related, may want to s...
by elmsandr
Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: What's the difference between trombone and cello?
Replies: 14
Views: 1556

Re: What's the difference between trombone and cello?

The cello burns longer? But slightly more seriously, just listen to a couple of Bach cello suites played on both... the other joke that one should practice the suites daily but never play them in public is a decent reminder. The trombone just doesn’t do that. String instruments do not take breaths. ...
by elmsandr
Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:08 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: great slide from slide dr
Replies: 35
Views: 3010

Re: great slide from slide dr

If you ever had the slide doc repair your slide, this product is a big part of why the slide came back so good. I have a slide that was worked on by both John U. and later Ray. Even have a letter back from John wondering why I was sending it to him as my work had been sufficient. Let's just say tha...
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:33 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Slide
Replies: 44
Views: 3455

Re: Slide

I don't get the long swab thing. Examine the stain and it's all near the tip where all the work happens. I guess the long swab shields the rod, but then it's aluminum, right?, so it cannot harm a slide tube. A small piece of microfiber sized to jam in the tube will clean it out great. Size it hooke...
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:51 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Bass bone - G-tuning
Replies: 11
Views: 1400

Re: Bass bone - G-tuning

I can't get on board with how far out low C and low B are. This always stopped me. G > Gb BUT D >>> Eb (for me, YMMV) I have always wanted to build a section that slides can swap around to make both valves configurable from G, Gb, F, E, bE to see what would work in practice. The G/bE/D has always i...
by elmsandr
Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:45 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: great slide from slide dr
Replies: 35
Views: 3010

Re: great slide from slide dr

Yet again Harrison has already posted what I was going to say. It doesn’t cost that much and it works better than anything else I have ever tried and last for months. If you give it a shot you will probably like it. I’ve used this on all my slides for years with no problem. If anything I think it e...
by elmsandr
Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach Sterling Plus bells
Replies: 5
Views: 623

Re: Bach Sterling Plus bells

The Bach bells are soft, soft, and soft. You look at sideways and it will dent. Look at it directly and it may wrinkle.

Sound is interesting, but not the same density as the King silver Sonics.

I got one at a discount, sold it on at an OK price, not a premium.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:38 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece Comparison Charts
Replies: 27
Views: 2743

Re: Mouthpiece Comparison Charts

Maybe an answer is to have a set of measurement tools, with dimensions agreed by the manufactures that give a visual guide to the sizes, rather than a numeral one. Except, that is going backwards. That is going back to pre-industrialized ways of measurement. What we need more is just a better use o...
by elmsandr
Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:39 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: M/K LEADPIPES
Replies: 27
Views: 2250

Re: M/K LEADPIPES

I meant more towards what Kbiggs said about the bell. The only thing I know is that the 1052 has a unsoldered rim. Unsoldered bell bead; 2 piece. Its as heavy as they make bells though (23 gauge). So not neither Bach nor Conn; usually the Conn bells are fairly light, or at least not 23 gauge. Mine ...
by elmsandr
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:10 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Main slide lock not locking properly
Replies: 11
Views: 1775

Re: Main slide lock not locking properly

The taper should hold it even without the nut being tight. Try just that. If it is loose, try cleaning it. REALLY clean and polished. Sometimes a quick wrap of teflon tape can help here. There is a possibility that after 40+ years it is worn out. Either side could be worn, you could 'blue' up the jo...
by elmsandr
Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach 50B2 second valve extension
Replies: 11
Views: 1386

Re: Bach 50B2 second valve extension

... You're making it too complicated. Buy 2 female tuning slide sleeves, and some .593id tubing, and 2 braces from thayer, probalby less than $100. Then it just slips in between the current tuning slide and the horn. 1hr job to make, then 1hr to solder and make it pretty. Uh.. that’s pretty much wh...
by elmsandr
Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bach 50B2 second valve extension
Replies: 11
Views: 1386

Re: Bach 50B2 second valve extension

Making an extension is a very easy job, id guess $250 max Provided you are willing to use available parts, yes. If they use readily available parts, this is not a big deal. Probably even less if you do not bother to lacquer the extension and surgery spots. If you insist on genuine Conn-Selmer parts...
by elmsandr
Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:06 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Doug Elliot mouthpiece
Replies: 13
Views: 2110

Re: Doug Elliot mouthpiece

This is Heinz's first DE so I'll mention this. In a post in 2012, Doug said putting oil or grease on the threads does not help them not to stick, but a bit of Teflon tape works. He also has very clear instructions how to disassemble if they do get stuck. To add some dorkery unnecessary information ...
by elmsandr
Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:14 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holton Superbone
Replies: 38
Views: 1905

Re: Holton Superbone

That bass is a beautiful instrument. To bad there is almost no way it would be a functional horn, but it is gorgeous.

Thank you for the great pictures!
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:20 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Screw Rim vs Solid state
Replies: 7
Views: 1320

Re: Screw Rim vs Solid state

I kinda agree with all of the above here... I have been playing on Doug's pieces since 1997. Probably have a one of those that I haven't taken apart since about then either. I still play around with other pieces... I feel that a solid built piece has a bit of resonance or sound that is different on ...
by elmsandr
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Horn of the Day - 1923 Conn Eb Alto
Replies: 7
Views: 591

Re: Horn of the Day - 1923 Conn Eb Alto

How big is this horn? Is it largish like some of the 20s custom horns?


Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:28 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wich rare horn would you buy EVEN...
Replies: 51
Views: 3332

Re: Wich rare horn would you buy EVEN...

I've generally bit on most of these each time I have seen them. Just about the only dream horn left for me to snag is a Contra or a horn owned by somebody in particular. Do not worry everybody, I intend to make sure my rare horns are restored and ready for when they move on to the next owners. Now t...
by elmsandr
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Cut It
Replies: 23
Views: 1368

Re: Cut It

Having cut a similar section (42BO), try this... Get a closed wrap tuning slide. Rotate the "S" tube a little and just cut the 90 just enough so that the tuning slide span matches the new tuning slide radius. You will have to trim the length on the closed wrap tuning slide and slightly trim the nick...
by elmsandr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Thayer issues
Replies: 6
Views: 493

Re: Thayer issues

Hanging out overnight can also cause it to dry out just enough that it will need a little prodding and some more lube. Thayers are thirsty and any small lack of oil can provide enough drag to hold the valve in one place until it is broken free. The aluminum and brass reaction is not a good design fo...
by elmsandr
Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holton 185 appears on ebay!
Replies: 15
Views: 1313

Re: Holton 185 appears on ebay!

I gave up my spreadsheet, so all I have is memory. I remember thinking it was worth about $1200 and it went well over than, just don’t remember exactly, I actually stopped by the seller and played that horn, sounded great, but needed a complete slide rebuild, maybe some tubes, too. Probably still sh...

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