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by BillO
Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombone Suggestions
Replies: 15
Views: 1020

Re: Bass Trombone Suggestions

That's a great price! Dillon's has the axial version listed for more than $5,500. That would place the rotor version at around $4900. Although they don't use Thayer branded valves anymore, they now have their own axial which is actually an improvement over the Thayer. I have the rotor version, just ...
by BillO
Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: So, what do you do?
Replies: 10
Views: 387

Re: So, what do you do?

TheSheriff wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:18 pm
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Just do it....over and over and over.

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That's my plan right now. We'll see how it goes. 10 sessions with it today ... so far.
by BillO
Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: So, what do you do?
Replies: 10
Views: 387

Re: So, what do you do?

Doug Elliott wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:34 pm
For me it's Eva Cassidy's version of Over the Rainbow - it's pretty unique. I used to work with Eva and I'm on some of her recordings. She died at age 30....
Yes, this is how that piece was meant to be played. What wonderful interpretation. What a loss her passing was to all the world.
by BillO
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombone Suggestions
Replies: 15
Views: 1020

Re: Bass Trombone Suggestions

DougHulme wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 4:11 am
I suggest you look at the Jupiter Xo series they are good quality ...
I'll 2nd this. I've had a 1240RL for 3 or so years now. Very happy. Well made, big bold (can shake foundations) sound when you want it, but responds well at pp too. You might indeed find one for $2,500. :good:
by BillO
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Any opinions of the Yamaha YSL200AD?
Replies: 6
Views: 280

Re: Any opinions of the Yamaha YSL200AD?

It's a Chinese made 354. Don't let that bother you. 1) The Chinese can make good stuff if you ask them and pay. 2) Yamaha's Chinese products are just as good as their Japanese products because they own and run their Chinese factories. As said before, the 200 is sold through small, local independent ...
by BillO
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: So, what do you do?
Replies: 10
Views: 387

So, what do you do?

This summer I have to perform Chicago's "Just You and Me" multiple times for a reoccurring gig. Yeah, I know. It's not a hard piece. The issue is that I played this in HS and later to make beer money in university, and later it was me and my bride's wedding song. For some stupid reason I am emotiona...
by BillO
Wed May 01, 2019 10:23 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is the best/worst trigger system for a two valved bass.
Replies: 12
Views: 756

Re: What is the best/worst trigger system for a two valved bass.

I'd say the worst is the one you really want but can't afford.

I played an Olds S23 in High school (about 300 years ago) - I didn't much like that arrangement. I now play an XO 1240 which has the typical split levers (thumb & fingers) of an independent bass. That seems to me to be best. :good:
by BillO
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Jazz Trombones
Replies: 15
Views: 1645

Re: Jazz Trombones

You could get a nice Yamaha YSL-354 in your price range. Nice horn - look for one with a nickel-silver slide.
by BillO
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Buying Trombone Blind
Replies: 21
Views: 1350

Re: Buying Trombone Blind

Given those two options, I would stick with the Duo Gravis for now. The 740 is a pretty meh instrument all around. I'd have to agree with Burgerbob here. In my search for a bass the Jupiter 740 was one I spent some time on. I just could not get it to behave for me. I did however end up buying a Jup...
by BillO
Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trombone Materials
Replies: 56
Views: 11292

Re: Trombone Materials

Scintillating!
by BillO
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Smashed 88h Bell...
Replies: 31
Views: 1782

Re: Smashed 88h Bell...

Until you get that customer that complains because it's not perfect. The wonders of unreasonable expectations.
by BillO
Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:58 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trombone Materials
Replies: 56
Views: 11292

Re: Trombone Materials

I'm pretty sure the yellow brass bell has been available for a while on the 88H. I have a friend that has, what appears to be an early Gen II 88H with a yellow brass bell. He does not think it was a custom job (bought it used), but is not 100% sure. In any case, even if they were not sold new that w...
by BillO
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Smashed 88h Bell...
Replies: 31
Views: 1782

Re: Smashed 88h Bell...

Cool, sounds like an inexpensive way to get a great horn.

As to changing a bell being easy ... while I can solder as good as the very best when it comes to PCBs, brass instruments - not so much. I'll get it soldered - make no mistake, but you may never want to look at it again. :shuffle:
by BillO
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Smashed 88h Bell...
Replies: 31
Views: 1782

Re: Smashed 88h Bell...

I think that's the wholesale price. Good if can get it though. Are you planning on installing it yourself?
by BillO
Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:39 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Smashed 88h Bell...
Replies: 31
Views: 1782

Re: Smashed 88h Bell...

Depending on the price to repair might be worth a new bell. IIRC they are pretty cheap for that horn. The cost to re and re the bell + lacquer would be in the 100-200 range anyway, plus the cost of the bell. That crease should be repairable for a whole lot less. That said, if the valve and slide ar...
by BillO
Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Lightest small bore brass trombone?
Replies: 19
Views: 1372

Re: Lightest small bore brass trombone?

So... what’s the lightest small bore (.500 or less) brass trombone out there? Thanks! ==== Probably a King Jiggs, and an XO 1632. ==== If your talking about instruments still in production, then I'd have to give the nod to the XO 1632. I weighed it at nearly 3 oz less than a King 2B with the lightw...
by BillO
Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holy Moley, 13 valves
Replies: 3
Views: 473

Re: Holy Moley, 13 valves

Who said what about who now?

Some one should buy that and do a cutaway of it so that the world can see out how such a thing could possibly work.

I had a plastic version of this when I was a kid. But it only had 5 'valves' and played an out of tune pentatonic scale.
by BillO
Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:55 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Unique, cheap, vintage
Replies: 19
Views: 1449

Re: Unique, cheap, vintage

How about a Conn 2H? Pretty unique ... with a bore smaller than most trumpets and made with metal thicker than a '57 Chevy Bel Air. I have one, complete with a serviceable original case that can be yours for a reasonable offer. Actually plays pretty nicely even if the slide is showing it's age (but ...
by BillO
Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:58 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: XO Bass Bone Lead Pipe
Replies: 5
Views: 642

Re: XO Bass Bone Lead Pipe

How do you adapt the other leadpipes to the rather unique XO system?
by BillO
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: “Taming” a nickel slide
Replies: 23
Views: 3294

Re: “Taming” a nickel slide

I'd suggest trying a sterling or pure silver lead pipe.
by BillO
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: How long pBone?
Replies: 10
Views: 591

Re: How long pBone?

Gary wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:45 pm
I will admit that holding the Trombone really feels awkward. Is this typical? Thanks.
You'll get used to it.
by BillO
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Olds Ambassador opinions
Replies: 57
Views: 3056

Re: Olds Ambassador opinions

Can anyone tell me anything about Jupiter 332 model? I mean I know it's a basic student horn but how would it compare for instance to Yamaha 354? Are Jupiter student line durable enough? How do they sound? I mean again I don't expect miracles but I need to know the tendencies. While I've not played...
by BillO
Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Blessing trombones
Replies: 11
Views: 930

Re: Blessing trombones

I'm guessing a lot of the comments, especially WRT older Blessings, are by people that have no real experience with them. To be honest I have not tried the particular horn you mention and really have no idea where it's made. However, I do own a B-88 that was made back in the late 70's in Elkhart. I ...
by BillO
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:00 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts
Replies: 25
Views: 1934

Re: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts

Ah, yes! Right you are Bruce. That is most probably where the assembly of the Shires Q instruments is handled.
by BillO
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: A bad Thayer or a bad me?
Replies: 28
Views: 1926

Re: A bad Thayer or a bad me?

Burgerbob wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:25 pm
the XO basses are very good, IMO.
I agree.

I have such an animal - maybe I will try to measure the bore through the valves - tomorrow(ish)...
by BillO
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Serafin Alschausky patent
Replies: 15
Views: 1252

Re: Serafin Alschausky patent

That might be pretty difficult to get used to. Observe that because of the way that valve works, not only will the pitch change, but slide positions change with the pitch change. Yes, of course. Just like a tenor trombone with F-att, or a single/double valve bass trombone. My double independent bas...
by BillO
Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:13 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts
Replies: 25
Views: 1934

Re: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts

They can even divide production between multiple suppliers. It's entirely possible that Sweaty's 7B copy and ghmerrill's 7B copy weren't built in the same factory. In fact, the Chinese government does this. They control who produces what and they enforce multiple sources for everything. They know h...
by BillO
Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts
Replies: 25
Views: 1934

Re: Schiller T-Bones: Give me your thoughts

Basically... You get what you pay for. If you want problems, buy a cheap horn. YES!!! I tire of these threads that turn into China bashing threads. It's not that the cheap Chinese trombones are junk because they are Chinese, it's that they are junk because they are cheap. If you want to pay Jinbao ...
by BillO
Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: slide extender
Replies: 23
Views: 1556

Re: slide extender

ennisdavis wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:24 pm
where can i get a slide extender? they seem to be discontinued or out of stock
Trade the trombone in on one with an F-attachment. A used King 607F might do. Or if the medium bore is too much, then a Jupiter JTB710F.
by BillO
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:45 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?
Replies: 23
Views: 1707

Re: Sturdy, hard-to-topple, or even DIY Trombone Stand?

I have several K&M 14990 stands. They are great. This one: https://www.hornguys.com/collections/trombone-stands/products/k-m-14990-heavy-duty-trombone-stand I'll offer another vote for the K&M 14990. Best stand I have ever used. Have 3 now and will soon have 5 in order to replace my other 2 stands.
by BillO
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:09 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: XO Bass Bone Lead Pipe
Replies: 5
Views: 642

Re: XO Bass Bone Lead Pipe

I tried the silver pipe today for a couple of hours and did some switching back and forth. I like it. It gives me a purer tone and is a bit more tolerant to sloppy articulations. It behaves well over the entire dynamic range and seems a bit more controlled in the FF+ range. I will note though, that ...
by BillO
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:12 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 65
Views: 4230

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

Seems a bit weird to talk abut purity of tone and false notes in the same argument. I would be willing to bet every trombonist on earth could play a low Db with more purity of tone using an F-att than by doing it with false notes. In any case, this thread seems to have gotten a bit silly. Play what ...
by BillO
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:46 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?
Replies: 40
Views: 3066

Re: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?

Dillon sells a very thick tuning slide grease under their own name. Cheap and effective. Should not be used on tight slides though as it makes them very hard to move.
by BillO
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:33 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is a C Trigger??
Replies: 13
Views: 696

Re: What is a C Trigger??

It's an easy transition to a more standard F attachment since those notes are also in 1st and 2nd position. Except that on an F-att B is in quite a different place. This seems to confuse a lot of younger players making the transition. Well, I've only personally known 2 of them, but both seem to hav...
by BillO
Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:04 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Straight versus f-attachment
Replies: 65
Views: 4230

Re: Straight versus f-attachment

Playing a bass over the last two years or so has taught me many tricks with the F valve. It's not just for avoiding 6th and 7th. A few months back I had a piece where I needed to play a middle-C, Bb, Ab sequence repeatedly up and down at breakneck speed. Using the valve turned it into a simple thumb...
by BillO
Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:26 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Upper range on medium/large bore vs small bore
Replies: 21
Views: 1712

Re: Upper range on medium/large bore vs small bore

My experience is that most 3B's have a high end that is challenging. I have had to put lots of time into developing it. I have an easier time up high on just about anything else. I have to concur with greenbean. I had a 3B that had a marked limited high range. Trading it in on my 4B fixed the range...
by BillO
Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:27 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe
Replies: 45
Views: 4410

Re: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe

mrdeacon wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:08 pm
I meant no offense!
No offense taken. :good:
by BillO
Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:09 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe
Replies: 45
Views: 4410

Re: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe

You do know that seams are good things, right? Who, me? Naw - I just started playing trombone a week ago. Pfft - what do I know from seams? :twisted: Means the bell was given a seam by hand. They cut the bell and basically stitch the seam and bell flare together. It adds some inconsistency to the b...
by BillO
Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:15 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe
Replies: 45
Views: 4410

Re: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe

... I've also seen what seems to be a lot of Shires with acid bleed at the bell rim that other makers seem to be able to avoid. Again, doesn't effect playability, it's just not something you expect from a top line horn ... I have to agree with the acid bleed problem on Shires. I have seen more of t...
by BillO
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:12 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Yamaha 352
Replies: 3
Views: 398

Re: Yamaha 352

I had a 354 a few years back. It also had "M1" stamped on the slide. That slide was very, very nice. Perhaps the slide has already been updated.
by BillO
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Alternative Slide Lubricants
Replies: 41
Views: 7615

Re: Alternative Slide Lubricants

harrisonreed wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:06 am
CLP sometimes is designed to become a dry film that still acts as a lube on a weapon.
That makes sense. You don't want a lube that attracts/holds water/dust in your firearm.
by BillO
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:07 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Japan-only Yamaha
Replies: 2
Views: 2209

Re: Japan-only Yamaha

I think the 882V is Japan only as well.

I'd love to try one out.
by BillO
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires Bravo
Replies: 4
Views: 2610

Re: Shires Bravo

matto wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:12 am
The Bravo I tried was a .547 bore with a traditional rotor, appeared to have a gold brass bell, slide with nickel oversleeves and crook. It's being marketed as an intermediate horn, and I thought it superior to the Yamaha YSL-448...
That's pretty good then. :good: Less expensive too.
by BillO
Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:48 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: My son creates a video.
Replies: 3
Views: 1511

Re: My son creates a video.

Weather was overcast and cool. It was shot underexposed intentionally - black bike - black clad rider - the dark knight. One of the concepts was to highlight the "FOX" logo on the hoody after the big no-hander jump in the middle of the video. Actually, I too thought it was a bit on the dark side, bu...
by BillO
Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:14 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: My son creates a video.
Replies: 3
Views: 1511

My son creates a video.

Pat, my son, has been riding off-road motorcycles for a few years. He used to race (at pro-level no less), but now just plays around and he's just created this video - ahh, the sound of a high performance 4-stroke - very musical... I helped a wee bit with cinematography and such. https://www.youtube...
by BillO
Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:15 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: XO 1240
Replies: 11
Views: 1954

Re: XO 1240

Well, look at that, you're right! Now I've learned something new - thanks. :good: Mine came new with the Thayer. I guess they decided either it was too expensive to use brand name valves or theirs fixes some of the quirks of the Thayer - which it certainly has. I'm still of the opinion that their bu...
by BillO
Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:28 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: XO 1240
Replies: 11
Views: 1954

Re: XO 1240

I'm almost certain they are NOT genuine Thayers. Not saying they are bad; the blow is actually quite respectable. Actually the sound is the best part of the XO horns, the overall build is where they are still lacking a little bit compared to other horns. Suit your self. My 1236RL-T has a genuine Th...
by BillO
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: S.E. Shires tru-bore™ valve
Replies: 13
Views: 2304

Re: S.E. Shires tru-bore™ valve

...I also feel that, for some reason (possibly the lateral pressure of the tight spring) the screw holding the lever onto the brace seems to like to back out... The ones I’ve tried out, on friend’s horns, have all had issues with the screw frequently backing out. Without fail the screw would back o...
by BillO
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:29 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: XO 1240
Replies: 11
Views: 1954

Re: XO 1240

I've been playing 1240RL now for about 2.5 years. I have absolutely no complaints with it. Plays real nice and has a nice big sound. No issues with range either. Blows pretty open through the vales so I imagine the 'T' version would be even better in that respect. Quality and build are strictly top ...
by BillO
Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:08 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Thayer issues
Replies: 6
Views: 730

Re: Thayer issues

Thanks for the advise folks. I'm (kinda) glad to see I'm not the only one that has these issues.

I'll keep it in it's case and glue the bumper on.

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