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JohnL

Aidan, there was one company there with a bunch of compact tubas and euphoniums. You didn't happen to try one, did you? I noodled around on one of the euphs and it was surprisingly playable. That Bob Sanders bass is a beast though. They put a little extra care and juju magic into that one. You talki...

JohnL

Loose bearings allow the valve core to wobble. You end up with wear to the valve core and casing, which eventually leads to low compression.

Of course, if the whole thing is already loose...

JohnL

No one has mentioned the Benge 290 yet; a well-regarded but often overlooked instrument.

JohnL

Some of those numbers look a bit off. The King 3B slide is definitely not a lightweight slide. Neither is the Super. Are you sure those numbers are accurate? I'm sure my numbers are accurate (within the limits of my scale, which is not certified). I neither stake claim to nor accept responsibility ...

JohnL

Every time I saw those Olds trombones with the non-adjustable outside slide brace, I didn't know what to think of them. One side of my brain said....."this is short cut that will likely never result in a parallel slide." The other side of my brain said..."Wow! The Olds company must have a manufactu...

JohnL

brassmedic wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:36 pm
I think the Olds Ambassador had a one piece slide brace.

The brace on the inner slide is two-piece (flattened oval cross section), the brace on the outer slide is one-piece with a round cross section.

Olds had a thing about one-piece braces; Supers had all one-piece braces for a while.

JohnL

Another vote for keeping the 6½AL unless there's a good reason not to. Olds used at least two different large-shank receivers over the years. The later production horns (which I expect includes your O-25) aren't enough undersize to cause an issue for most people. The only way to get a perfect fit is...

JohnL

tbonesullivan wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:43 pm
Weren't the Williams F-attachments also the same bore as the slide? I also think they believed in making the trombone out of all the same alloy.

Not on my Williams, but it's a pre-WWII TIS horn. His approach may have changed on the post-WWII models.

JohnL

Seen it before. Coulda just been "born bad" (i.e., not put together properly at the factory). Could also have had the crook repaired/replaced at some point and the person who did it either didn't realize that it needed to be adjusted or just didn't care.

JohnL

As the author of the article in question, I'm afraid I have little to add. The S-24G in uncomfortable to play. The small valves don't particularly bother me, but I'm used to playing on similar valves on LA-era Olds basses.

JohnL

I know Steve well; this was a difficult decision for him to make, but it was coming for a while. It's gotta be tough to walk away when it's your name above the door, plus the people you're leaving behind. OTOH, living in Waterbury Center and working for a company in Holliston, MA? I wouldn't think ...

JohnL

I've played the trombone parts to both Chopin piano concertos on bass trombone without complaints, but that's in an amateur orchestra. FWIW, the part for the second concerto is marked as "trombone basso", but one could argue that the notation should be interpreted as "trombone in bass clef" rather t...

JohnL

I wouldn't think that it would be a big surprise to anyone. He's probably working full time and then some on getting his new company rolling; doesn't leave much time for S. E. Shires.

JohnL

King rotors from what i understand are the bore size of the slide. So a 3Bf rotor section should be .508. At least thats my understanding. It may be somewhat larger. The "f-attachment the same bore as the slide" philosophy seems to have come from George McCracken. He designed the 4B/4BF, the 4B-bas...

JohnL

harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:13 pm
Sounds like if you order a 3BF bell section and a 3B+ slide you can still get a brand new 3BF+. Are the slides not compatible?

I think the bigger question is the bore of the f-attachment. Anyone have a 3BF and a set of calipers handy?

JohnL

For piston valves, the Yamaha oil should be fine.

Here’s some basics for breaking in new valves:
https://www.dummies.com/art-center/musi ... r-trumpet/

If you do decide to experiment, be careful mixing oils. Synthetics and non-synthetics do not mix well.

JohnL

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JohnL

lt does seem like directors would assign parts based on experience rather than letting anyone grab a first book. In the trombone choir I am in, the director spreads out the parts so that no one has to (or gets to) play first all the time. Like the tuba event, Trombone Christmas is a "come one, come...

JohnL

Sounds like you're in SoCal. If so, I would suggest a visit to Ferguson Music (hornguys.com); if you've got a private lesson teacher, see if they'll come with and offer some advice.

Another option would be to wait 'til you get a couple lessons from you college trombone prof and get their input.

JohnL

It hasn't helped recently at the mother ship that we have a Contra Bass show up. Hey, this year I only saw one. I remember having three in past years. I'm not sure how much of what comes out of the sixth trombone section is the contra and how much is regular bass trombones being played without due ...

JohnL

Doug Grieve, the father of Trombone Christmas, likes to say: "Never feel sorry for anything that happens to the first trombones." It's generally suggested that the firsts "take it easy" during the rehearsal so there's still some gas left for the concert. We also usually have a handful of serious pla...

JohnL

I’m afraid the “Mother Ship” suffers from those same issues to a degree, and it’s been going for 10 years now. The conductors and organizers try to run a tight ship, but sometimes a simple “word to the wise” is not enough. We generally have trouble having enough people who can cut the 1st part; betw...

JohnL

Well there's a distinction. "Concert" is what you play on piano while there's "written" pitch, which could be sounding anything depending on the pitch of the instrument. In other words, a Bb "Concert" is the same as a Bb on piano, while a "written" Bb on an instrument that is an Eb instrument, for ...

JohnL

I knew the conventional trombone was pitched in Bb but written in C but all that stuff gets me confused after a point. So, if I played valve bone in a regular section, would I have to transpose the written music, (assuming I would be reading the same music as the rest of the trombones)? Not as long...

JohnL

As far as I now, it's a regional thing. I mostly see C valve 'bones in groups that play banda and similar styles. Don't conflate the key of an instrument with the key of the music the player is reading - they're two separate things. Tenor trombones are in Bb, but they read concert pitch music. If yo...

JohnL

I always found it odd that Reynolds was such a pioneer in bass trombone design, made beautiful, high quality instruments of all sorts with innovative and different alloys, but never made a large bore tenor. If they had, I’m sure it would have been great. It could just as easily ended up an also-ran...

JohnL

https://wessex-tubas.com/collections/trombones-and-sackbut/products/bb-valve-trombone-pb901 Looks interesting. The tubing layout brings more of the mass closer to the player, which might make it a bit easier to hold over a long period of time. Unfortunately, it's not an option if the OP is looking ...

JohnL

Since they are a little on the small side by modern standards, a nice Conn 4H can sometimes be hard for a very reasonable price.

JohnL

Chatname wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:49 am
M&W wide yellow brass slide 287grams

more details?

JohnL

[tbody] Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter 84 Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+) RichEKelly 94 P-Bone JohnL 161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde 162 Courtois AC130 Alto FEWeathers 165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner 168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls 170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia 1...

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marccromme wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:15 pm
Thanks for this pointer, isn't the S24G the model with the smaller valves compared to the P24G?

Yes, it is. You didn't say what part you wanted to be smaller.

Any reason you left the Duo-Gravis off your list?

JohnL

Bach spec for a standard small shank mouthpiece is .476" (12.1 mm) at 1" (25.4" mm). Obviously, there would not be room enough between the wall a .481" (12.2 mm) tube and the mouthpiece for much of a leadpipe. Similarly, a large shank mouthpiece is .546" (13.9 mm) at 1" (25.4 mm), so there would be ...

JohnL

Chatname wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:03 pm
Aha, outer slide only! Then the numbers make more sense!

Would one of the mods be so kind as to change the name of this thread to include "outer"?

JohnL

I assume they have a bit of a higher-output, slightly-lower-quality-even-if-they-say-it's-not side of the workshop at Shires that is doing the Q parts. But that's just my assumption. I doubt it. Having two separate production setups is likely to end up being more expensive than producing everything...

JohnL

Chatname wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:59 am
So obviously my kitchen weight scale is way off (which would account for some baking disasters);
my M&W gold brass slide weighed 636 grams...

Just the outer slide?

You should check your scale with a known weight...

JohnL

Bouncy, like an infantile cartilaginous fish

Now THAT'S funny.

JohnL

Updated Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter 84 Butler Carbon Fiber (for 2B+) RichEKelly 94 P-Bone JohnL 161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde 165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner 168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls 170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia 170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pre-...

JohnL

Is there a potential to ruin the horn? Absolutely. Obviously, if it's a bad horn to start with, you can't make it much worse - but most people are looking at modifying a horn they already like. If so, do the benefits of a modifcation outweigh the risk? Depends on how much you like the way the instr...

JohnL

The last person I worked with on resolving that issue ended up going with a medium euphonium shank, which went in pretty far but fixed the intonation. If you're thinking about me, that horn was whole different sort of beast than an Opera. Its receiver is significantly smaller than either of Olds la...

JohnL

paulyg wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:22 pm
Also, I think I've met that sax guy.

I think "Sax Guy" is closely related to Florida Man

JohnL

Looks like there is also a Q-series Alessi horn as well. https://www.seshires.com/tbqalessi That definitely means more sales, and more $$$. By offering Alessi models in both the Artist line and the Q-Series, Shires (Eastman) should be able to get significantly more mileage out of JA's name than Edw...

JohnL

I saw Urbie play on something like this while I was in high school. Some kind of Audiovox gizmo. Played multiple octaves at the same time. Early electronic music. As a High schooler I thought that was really cool. Always wanted something like that. Now I use a Silent Brass mute and an iPad with Amp...

JohnL

So my friends, what have we learned from this discussion? That having a trombonist of Joe Alessi's stature change brands of instrument will definitely create some buzz. I would expect the T-396A to remain in the catalog for now, sans any reference to Mr. Alessi. It'll be interesting to see if they ...

JohnL

I'll put in a plug for the Yamaha YBB-10x series. Yes, they're small and only have three valves, but they're easy to play and sound surprisingly good. I prefer the 103 (front action), but that's personal taste.

JohnL

Looks like something from the Kraslice/Markneukirchen area. Really small bore - notice how far out the mouthpiece seats?

JohnL

Vegastokc wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:08 am
Wait - we can get paid to play these things?

In some cases, we can get paid to not play them...

JohnL

This seems like a great entry for the Trombone Chat Wiki. In a perfect world, it would be in a nice, sortable table. Given that this is gathered from many sources, there's bound to be some bad data. There's also some models (Conn 70H!) that were produced in several different configurations and it'd...

JohnL

Here is Oslide's compendium is a neater table format. Weight (g) Model Remarks Reporter 94 P-Bone JohnL 161.5 Doubleslyde all carbon fiber doubleslyde 165 K and H Slokar Alto sanfranboner 168 KH BVL .512 LW all-nickel BiggieSmalls 170 Olds Featherweight Euphanasia 170 Olds Super Featherweight LA, pr...

JohnL

Great photo and explanations! Seems it is just like over-sleeves that move. Yup. A few years back, I applied the basic concept to repairing a conventional slide with bad red rot at the end of the outers. I had the tech cut off the rotted ends and then compensate for the loss of length by shifting t...

JohnL

The Wayback Machine is your friend. Most of the time. https://web.archive.org/web/20140709100723/http://tromboneforum.org/index.php/topic,67842.60.html Just for fun I compiled the data provided in a listing and added some of my own. The formatting will go awry somehow, but hopefully it will still be...

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