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JohnL

Also, don't worry too much about bell diameter - it's more about taper than ultimate diameter. This bears repeating. There's several different 9" bells out there, and the only place they're the same is the diameter. The Olds 9" S-20/S-23 bell is most definitely not the same as the 9" S-22/S-24G/P-2...

JohnL

John - I have never seen an Olds bass trombone on the market in Scandinavia... How common are Amati trombones in your part of the world? I've never played one, but the specs on the Amati ASL 382 look promising. It's dependent, but if it could be had inexpensively enough, adding a set of indy valves...

JohnL

You've pretty much described the Olds P-24G. Most of them shipped with G rather Gb crooks on the the second valve, but you can swap crooks with the F attachment and get a Gb. .565" bore, nickel outers (pretty much nickel everything except the rotor casings and the bell) Indy Bb/G/F/Eb (swap the croo...

JohnL

harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:14 am
I thought the super tenor was .555 single bore

I dug though the Wayback Machine and it's listed at .547"/.562" back March 12, 2018.

JohnL

I've been working with Chrome OS for a while. It's definitely not for everyone or everything. The apps are limited (both in what is available and what said apps do) compared to Windows, MacOS, or Linux. On the other hand, it's secure, stable, and very simple to maintain. Actual Chrome OS is only ava...

JohnL

In the interests of sticking closer to the TOS "trombone related" bits, I'll add two cents. Just got a nice Chromebook for close to $100. Even though it is NOT listed on the "adapt Chromebook to Linux" page (https://mrchromebook.tech is a good example of how open software spawns more-better open so...

JohnL

...and an older Core2Duo that is running Cloudready and works like a Chromebook. What's your take on CloudReady? I've spent a lot of time with Chrome OS and a little with CloudReady; it seems to work pretty well. Of course, it does lag a little behind Chrome OS as far as new features, but it seems ...

JohnL

Mr. Bright is a class act. Absolutely. A few years ago, I attended a clinic he gave at a local high school. Most of the crowd was HS and Jr. HS kids. At one point, he asked the question: "What is the secret of good trombone playing" to which one of the youngsters (maybe 14 at the oldest" answered: ...

JohnL

...meanwhile, in Baltimore:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... edirect=on

JohnL

Have you tried wrapping a rubber band around the slide lock to improve your grip?

JohnL

Leisesturm wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:33 pm
Why Eb? Why F, for that matter?

"Why Eb?" is easy. It's the longest attachment you can have without creating a gap in the range. One can play down to E below the staff on the open horn, then from Eb on down to almost Bb with the valve engaged.

But why F? I'll leave that to the musicologists.

JohnL

One takeaway from the Cleveland Orchestra's actions is that institutions are becoming less likely to try to sweep such things under the rug. It still happens, but at least it's happening less often. As long as institutions keep covering up, we will never be able to make real progress toward dealing ...

JohnL

greenbean wrote: ↑
Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:46 pm
(And cases for flute, guitar, and tuba...)

I've always wanted to be able to carry my flute, my guitar, and my tuba in one case.

JohnL

Concerning whether this thread will be locked... As a moderator, I decided to post it to allow and encourage discussion. This should not get swept under the rug. Perhaps a more general discussion rather than a specific case? Even at that, I fear it may be too volatile. You've got two separate but i...

JohnL

I don't see a link to a report regarding the current situation, so here it is: https://fox8.com/2018/09/15/cleveland-orchestra-suspends-principal-trombonist-massimo-la-rosa/ I expect this thread will likely get locked down pretty soon. There's a discussion that needs to take place, but this may not ...

JohnL

hyperbolica wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:19 am
JohnL,
the first 3 of the serial are 740xxx.

That dates it to 1971. A little later than I would have expected to have the smaller receiver.

JohnL

A lot of big (and not-so-big) companies refresh their fleet on a three-year cycle. I haven't bought a new desktop since the early Win95 days. Good deals. I'm typing this on a Dell OptiPlex that I picked up from a local real estate company. Another benefit is that those former corporate machines typi...

JohnL

...they ask for 90 norwegian kroner for one beer. It's about 11,45 dollars or 8.82 British Pounds. How large a beer for that price? If you're buying it at an event of some sort (concert, sporting event, etc.), you might end up paying that much. Also depends on the kind of beer. Mass-produced domest...

JohnL

I thought the horn was from 1979, but I could be wrong. The S-20 is listed in the 1970 catalog, but not the 1973 catalog (nor in any of the later ones I have). Of course, it's possible they were still producing some even though they weren't in the catalog. What are the first three characters in the...

JohnL

Looks like you have the older, smaller receiver. A 21 is not going to do it for that horn. AFAIK, they made 15's, 20's, and G's in that shank size. A 15 or a 20 wouldn't be big enough (mouthpiece-wise, not shank-wise), and G's are pretty rare. At this point, I think Doug Elliott might be your best b...

JohnL

As I recall, there were two different Clarke models; Large and Small. The Large is the one the 6½AL is based on.

JohnL

BGuttman wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:40 pm
Schlitz, I didn't go to school with any Euph players of consequence.

There are always consequences to knowing euphonium players.

JohnL

On a 36B, I would first do as Andy recommends and clean both of the mating surfaces thoroughly. Sometimes some of the lube from the valves migrates down to the tenon joint and causes trouble. Stray lube is less likely on a King 606. Since it's a rental, you might just want to take it back to the shop.

JohnL

One fairly common setup is the "wide front"; trombones front row stage left, saxes front row stage right, trumpets behind the trombones, and rhythm behind the saxes (drummer as close to dead center as possible). The wide front always seemed to me to actually make it harder to hear the rest of the ba...

JohnL

Do you have access to a dial or digital caliper?

JohnL

SO can i just check my musical maths out here... i have been given a Euphonium part in G so i think i need to take it up a semitone to be in actual pitch? For the actual pitches played, it's down an octave plus two semitones. You will also need to add two flats to the key signature, so one sharp (G...

JohnL

Part of the problem is that there isn't a consensus on what to measure and how to measure it... Anyone sufficiently involved with manufacturing technology to know the current level of precision of an affordable laser scanner? The data for the Kanstul Mouthpiece Comparator was compiled from scans don...

JohnL

Remember that Olds used two different "bass" shanks. I've never been able to nail down exactly when they made the change, but the receiver on my 1962 O-23 and all of the earlier large-shank horns in my collection is smaller than the receiver on my 1969 S-20 and the later horns in my collection (O-25...

JohnL

This doesn't make sense to me -- but then so much business law doesn't make sense. :? Not sure why you want to be tax-exempt. That's a real pain since you have to continually ensure that you satisfy federal requirements (unless you're just talking about state taxes, but even then I'm confused). I t...

JohnL

bobroden wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:47 am
He has been unable to reach anyone at BAC despite numerous attempts. Odd, huh?

Not really...

Mike Corrigan can be difficult to reach at times.

JohnL

There's a LOT of factories in China turning out brass instruments. With the possible exception of Eastman, who seems to have their own factory, and Jinbao, all of the Chinese-made instruments I've seen are "stencils" (they're marked with the name of the importer, distributor, or retailers rather tha...

JohnL

Tough to tell how many, but it looks like they're two deep, six across. Two cabinet, each with two shelves, so you're talking somewhere around 4 dozen - maybe more if the small-bores a packed in a little tighter. Steve Ferguson (www.hornguys.com) might have them beat. I know Dillon Music (www.dillon...

JohnL

Even in the 20th century, you still find brass mouthpieces with ivory rims. Olds offered that option, among others. The Olds design incorporated an ivory inner cup and rim which threaded into a brass outer cup and shank. I've only seen a couple intact Olds inserts (they seem to be pretty delicate)....

JohnL

Wow, interesting material for a mouthpiece. Where some historical mouthpieces made of cowhorn? Certainly back when horns were made from horns (the shofar, for example), the "mouthpiece" would often have been the same material. Wood, horn, and ivory were all pretty common mouthpiece materials at one...

JohnL

StevenC wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:08 pm
In our local school district, both the high school and middle school band directors are trombone players. Do they count?

As trombone players, certainly (as long as they play regularly). They wouldn't count as someone who makes a living player/teacher trombone.

JohnL

Actively playing or people who played the instrument at one time? I expect there are more people overall actively playing trombone than violin (amateur, pro, and students). More school bands than orchestras, more amateur bands than amateur orchestras. More flutes than trombones. Probably more pianis...

JohnL

F/D is pretty much the standard tuning for modern dependent-valve bass trombones. I would not suggest trying to use PVC, but, if you really want to try to do something on your own, I have heard of a few people who used copper tubing available from some well-stocked hobby shops. There are D extension...

JohnL

Bassmike wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:41 pm
Never ask the conductor what they want. Quite often they don't know.

Or they know what they want, but can't tell you in a way that helps you give it to them...

JohnL

hyperbolica wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:36 pm
Good eye. Yes, it's an S-20. You don't think I can use some more standard levers? Other behind the brace levers?

You still have to deal with the location of the valve. What sort of linkage were you thinking of?

JohnL

Pardubas, Rucky Mucks, and similar cushion-rim designs are popular with the banda guys (long gigs playing high and loud). Lately Garibaldi seems to have become the mouthpiece of choice. You're not likely to find them at just any store, but the ones that cater to banda and mariachi players will usual...

JohnL

Looks like an Olds S-20. You'll probably need some custom-made parts for the linkage. The valve is farther up the neckpipe than most horns, so you'll need a longer connecting rod. Of course, if you're dropping in a new set of valves, you might be able to relocate the F rotor to be closer to the teno...

JohnL

You can find a 51D if you look around. The 51D has a different rim than the rest of the 51 family. You could probably order one from Schilke (not sure what the designation would be). Might take a while, though. You might want to see what Doug Elliott can do for you first. You might also try a Hammo...

JohnL

Are the A20s the same bore size, tuning slide and bell mandrel as the R20, just everything is yellow brass? Yup. Different braces, and most A-20's only have one tuning slide in the f-attachment. Most A-20's also have a finger ring underneath the mouthpiece receiver. Unless one takes the time to exa...

JohnL

sirisobhakya wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:05 am
Maybe I am too paranoid about the potential of damage, or not. What do you think?

I think you're too paranoid...

but you also have a point as far as there not being much (if any) difference between the B and the BO versions.

JohnL

BflatBass wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm
He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell.

All yellow brass would be an A20 Ambasssador.

JohnL

At least around here, there are two peak repair seasons. Summer is the big one, but there's another surge at the end of marching season (late November/early December). Not all techs do work for schools, but even the ones that don't usually see something of a surge toward the end of summer with stude...

JohnL

I remember a session when Loren Marstellar, who is a great player, used 'I think' a bell-front 4 valve baritone for... ironically, a recording of the Holst, and it sounded...heroic, instead of tired, as it so often does! If memory serves, Loren's horn of choice for quite a while was a four-valve, b...

JohnL

The S23 has a bigger bell and smaller valves. Also the one on the bay has been modified. There's actually three S-23's on eBay right now. This one looks to be the nicest of the bunch: https://www.ebay.com/itm/292680945139 If I were going to build a "super tenor" out of Olds parts, I'd actually star...

JohnL

Also, any comments on the possible changes (replacing a set of slide tubes vs replacing the slide tenon)? Are you committed to using Holton tenor parts? It's been a while, but my recollection of John Sandhagen's version of a small bass was fitting a King Symphony (1480) bell and tuning slide to a B...

JohnL

I switch parts daily. I'm using the same rim with different cups and shanks for small bore and large bore horns. Isn't that the whole point of modular mouthpieces? For me, it'd be more a matter of being able to use the same size/shape rim across the board, not using the exact same rim. I'd always b...

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