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by JohnL
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires and Ben Griffin
Replies: 3
Views: 131

Re: Shires and Ben Griffin

Ben is not longer with Shires. I think it's been at least a year now, but less than two (he was with Shires at ITF 2017). I know nothing of the circumstances of the separation. I heard he was touring with a show.
by JohnL
Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:45 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 73
Views: 1919

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

Very interesting! I would have expected it to be similar to the 5B or basically be a tenor with a 'normal' tenor tuning slide sort of like how Shires or Edwards will make a 9" bell for tenor or bass but they don't necessarily make anything that is tenor on the valve side but bass on the bell side. ...
by JohnL
Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:35 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex Instruments
Replies: 30
Views: 1389

Re: Wessex Instruments

harrisonreed wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:17 pm
No sense of humor, you fuddy dudds

as if the smilies didn't give a tip.
D
I was making a deep existentialist comment about the gravity of talking about an euphonium on thee trombone chat sight (it's about how it's pronounced, guys).

:frown:
In that case, it's "an eew-phonium".
by JohnL
Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 73
Views: 1919

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

Matt K wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:50 pm
Really? What tuning slide? Is it the same as the King 5B maybe?
I think it's actually unique to the HKO. It has to mate with the King Symphony bell tail on one end and the 88H neckpipe on the other.
by JohnL
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 73
Views: 1919

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

GBP wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:31 pm
I have always wanted to try that Conn 88h tenor with the 9 inch bell and bass slide.
Funny thing is, there's not much 88H left on that configuration. Different slide, different bell (all the way back through the tuning slide).
by JohnL
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:37 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex Instruments
Replies: 30
Views: 1389

Re: Wessex Instruments

That's an Euphonium. :biggrin: :biggrin: :idk: :shuffle: :tongue: Not according to Purdue University: When "u" makes the same sound as the "y" in "you," or "o" makes the same sound as "w" in "won," then a is used. The word-initial "y" sound ("unicorn") is a glide [j] phonetically, which has consona...
by JohnL
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:20 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 73
Views: 1919

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

Is the 421 the same instrument as the 620G but with a single trigger? It's quite likely that they are very close dimensionally, but there are differences in materials. The 620G has nickel silver outers while the 421G's are yellow brass. There are some other parts (cork barrels, for instance) that a...
by JohnL
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 73
Views: 1919

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

I suspect a lot of community players are in the same situation in which I find myself. There always seems to be a measure or two on one piece that I'd rather not fight a single on. Tonight is a prime example. Everything on the concert is easily playable on a single except one spot on one piece where...
by JohnL
Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:10 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: King 3b (and others) history
Replies: 16
Views: 494

Re: King 3b (and others) history

2B Liberty was a 1407 (????), 5B Symphony Bass was 1480 (??????? again! When those two models were introduced (1930's), King wasn't yet using the 2B-3B-4B-5B designations. The 1407 (Liberty 2-B) was a dual-bore offshoot of the older 1451 Liberty (the numbers don't seem to have been assigned systema...
by JohnL
Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: King 3b (and others) history
Replies: 16
Views: 494

Re: King 3b (and others) history

King used a 4 digit number starting with 13xx for Cleveland/Tempo models and 14xx for the Pro line starting some time in the 1950s. The 21xx numbers came later; late 1970s I think, with the 21xx number on the bell starting in the 1980s. Actually, the four-digit model numbers (I suppose "catalog num...
by JohnL
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:37 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Copying mouthpieces
Replies: 26
Views: 879

Re: Copying mouthpieces

I had some copying work done at Kanstul a few years back; I was quite happy with the result. Unfortunately, I do not know if they even offer that service any more. The person who was doing it (James New) has moved on. He's got his own business (or at least a website ) now, but it doesn't say anythin...
by JohnL
Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:38 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Copying mouthpieces
Replies: 26
Views: 879

Re: Copying mouthpieces

Tbarh wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:04 am
How are the zirconium ones working out?... Almost as hard as diamonds, right?
I suspect he's using metallic zirconium (probably an alloy) rather than cubic zirconia.
by JohnL
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:34 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length
Replies: 29
Views: 1152

Re: Bach Mount Vernon Bass Trombone shank length

So many old horns and mouthpieces play great in spite of sloppy and inconsistent machining. I think they were just very forgiving designs. Or maybe only the good ones survived and the others were modified into paperweights... The pre-WWII ones were picked up in scrap drives and got recycled into ma...
by JohnL
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:27 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Fake tux shirt?
Replies: 7
Views: 293

Re: Fake tux shirt?

Try searching for "tropical weight" clothing.

Something like this:
https://www.studiosuits.com/custom_suit ... inen_suits
by JohnL
Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:21 am
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: Trombone T.C.
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Trombone T.C.

There is no transposition when reading concert pitch treble clef music. You see a C, you play a C. That C, not the one an octave below. But trombone players seldom play off of music notated in concert pitch treble clef. If we see music in treble clef, it's usually in Bb, so a written C is a concert ...
by JohnL
Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:51 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: High note technique
Replies: 37
Views: 1505

Re: High note technique

Not sure if this was parody or just early web blatant obnoxiousness. More satire than parody, methinks. The guys behind it (Scott Englebright and Donny Dyess) were both top-notch players who apparently decided to have a little fun at the expense of "that guy". You know who "that guy" is, right? We'...
by JohnL
Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:04 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Transposing for a G Pitched Bass Trombone
Replies: 7
Views: 268

Re: Transposing for a G Pitched Bass Trombone

G bass reads concert pitch bass clef. You just need to learn the proper slide positions and partials to get the notes. Not sure where you would find a slide position chart. Maybe this will help: http://itsabear.com/Olds_Docs/P24G_Facts.pdf The position chart has a row for when the G valve is engaged...
by JohnL
Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2872

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

While it would be nice to have a lighter instrument, that won't help the repetitive part of the repetitive stress injury equation. A lot of that comes back to things we as players need to remember to do when we're playing long sessions.
by JohnL
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:28 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!
Replies: 23
Views: 2715

Re: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!

hyperbolica wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:46 pm
Hold it, I'm a little slow on the uptake, here. "Former" sales rep? What happened to Ben Griffin?
I seem to recall hearing a while back that Ben was touring with a show.
by JohnL
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Is Eastman discontinuing their hard cases?
Replies: 5
Views: 224

Re: Is Eastman discontinuing their hard cases?

Jakob Winter still has a website, so maybe it's just that they and Eastman have parted ways?
by JohnL
Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Is Eastman discontinuing their hard cases?
Replies: 5
Views: 224

Re: Is Eastman discontinuing their hard cases?

Link to Facebook post That'll be a bigger deal for string players. It seems a lot of them use Eastman cases. I've always been a little hazy on the relationship between Eastman Cases and Jakob Winter. They look like the same cases, and I've seen Eastman cases sold under the JW-Eastman name. Anyone h...
by JohnL
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2872

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

Here's one simple suggestion: when you put down your instrument after playing, get it out of your left hand. Your left hand spends hours and hours gripping the trombone when you play. When sitting and counting rests, there's no need for the trombone to remain in your left hand, gripping it in the p...
by JohnL
Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:02 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Anyone recognize this work?
Replies: 1
Views: 182

Re: Anyone recognize this work?

Maybe John Sandhagen. His personal horn has a similar wrap. Improved weight distribution (more mass closer to the pivot point), less extension beyond the tuning slide (important in cramped quarters), less of a water trap than a tradition wrap. Thein uses a similar wrap on some of their bass trombone...
by JohnL
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:13 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2872

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

... at our lesson the next day he unpacked that. "The piece was very exciting," he said. "But the brass played much too loudly sometimes." He continued, "You should never go away from a concert having focused on just one thing at the expense of everything else. Just because you heard me doesn't mea...
by JohnL
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?
Replies: 22
Views: 746

Re: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?

TheBoneRanger wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:43 pm
A good repair guy will sort it out properly so you don't need such shenanigans...
On a modern horn, sorting it out would be easy. On something that's pushing 100 years old and looks it, discretion is sometimes the better part of valor.
by JohnL
Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:39 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Rath Slide to Bell locking system
Replies: 4
Views: 267

Re: Rath Slide to Bell locking system

Does the current friction fit work as it should? You should be able to get a very solid fit with a slight "push and twist" - solid enough that it takes significant effort to separate the parts. If that's not the case, the first thing to try is making sure the mating surfaces are completely clean and...
by JohnL
Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:26 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?
Replies: 22
Views: 746

Re: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?

It seems to me you could anneal the ends of the tubes and expand a tiny bit with no risk of splitting. I'd be very leery of any expansion, even with an anneal. The tubes have some pitting on the ID (the leadpipe goes into the tuning slide, saxhorn-style) . If I played the horn more than a half-doze...
by JohnL
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:07 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?
Replies: 14
Views: 487

Re: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?

I'm kinda curious as to what the OP means by "large euphonium mouthpiece"...
by JohnL
Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:39 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?
Replies: 22
Views: 746

Thickest, stickiest tuning slide lube?

I've got an old Conn 74I double bell baritone with a very loose tuning slide. I'm don't want to try expanding the inner tubes for fear they'll split. I've already dealt with the slippage issue (a stop rod installed by John Sandhagen), but I think it might be leaking a bit. I'm currently using Schilk...
by JohnL
Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:26 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2872

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

Do not discount the importance of weight, particularly when one is playing a double-valve bass for several hours a day. Add a body that's not as young as it used to be and shaving a couple pounds (or a kilo, for you folks outside the US) becomes very attractive. People have been having hand/wrist/ar...
by JohnL
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:03 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Focus and intonation with double valves in the middle register
Replies: 21
Views: 926

Re: Focus and intonation with double valves in the middle register

The suggestion was to make attachment tubing for a tenor a narrower bore. That's the way the McCracken-designed King trombones (4BF, late 5B, and Duo-Gravis) are - the attachment tubing is the same bore as the slide. Same people liked the result, some didn't. Or, Rolling Thunder. Alternates make a ...
by JohnL
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:57 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 904

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

If you wanted the lightest possible TIS slide, you could eliminate the adjustment screw and extra brace(s) entirely and go with just a clamping device on one of the sleeves. I've got an Olds bass that is set up that way, and Earl Williams built a few tenors like that. Of course, you've still got the...
by JohnL
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:14 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Different leadpipe material
Replies: 21
Views: 9213

Re: Different leadpipe material

Gold is slightly softer than silver which is slightly softer than copper. A solid 24KT gold leadpipe would probably cost $1000. I would try to get one made in Red Brass. Sorry, not solid gold, this would be gold brass v yellow brass, so higher copper content. Well, SORRY, but if you look at Mohs ha...
by JohnL
Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:40 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Did we always get "the hand"?
Replies: 9
Views: 1009

Re: Did we always get "the hand"?

I suspect the first "hand" came about at the same time as the first note played by a trombone in a conducted ensemble.
by JohnL
Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:56 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 37
Views: 2674

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

And most tubists seem to think that piston tubas offer smoother slurring whereas rotary tubas give you more agility at the expense of less smooth slurring. That's also the general school of thought among French horn players with regard to the Schmidt (not to be confused with "Schmid") pattern doubl...
by JohnL
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:18 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 37
Views: 2674

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

The only compensating euphs and tubas use pistons. I always wanted a compensating rotary euph, but those double valves only seem to be made for french horns. Lots more room in the body of a euphonium, which gives a lot more flexibility as far as where the tubing goes. Also, we're talking a full dou...
by JohnL
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:05 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 37
Views: 2674

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

I think this is the case for french (german) horn also. I think the final nail in the coffin of piston valve "French" horns was the dominance of the double horn. Routing all of that tubing around a set of double-decker pistons would be a nightmare. I really can't imagine a piston-valve double unles...
by JohnL
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:10 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 37
Views: 2674

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

Unlike other brass instruments, the "default" configuration for a trombone is the open horn. Not just no valves down, but no valves at all. With the exception of buglers and natural horn specialists, other brass players never experience the feel of a true open horn. The resistance of valves is just ...
by JohnL
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Replace or replate inner slide tubes
Replies: 7
Views: 1323

Re: Replace or replate inner slide tubes

Bonearzt wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 am
Call Anderson Plating and see what they have to say.
Does Anderson do chrome?
by JohnL
Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires Bravo
Replies: 4
Views: 2231

Re: Shires Bravo

Sounds a lot like the "Eastman by Shires" ETB630G. I don't see any 600-series horns on the Eastman site any more; not sure when they were dropped. There was the ETB630G with a gold brass bell and a conventional rotor and the ETB634 with a yellow brass bell and a Thayer. There's still some around; Pe...
by JohnL
Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Something similar to a Schilke 51
Replies: 11
Views: 2631

Re: Something similar to a Schilke 51

Have you tried a Schilke 51B? Or an M5.1 ? They're both "off-the-shelf" mouthpieces, so you might have an easier time finding one to try. If one of them works, great. If not, you can just move on...
by JohnL
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why didn't detachable trombone bells catch on?
Replies: 19
Views: 3135

Re: Why didn't detachable trombone bells catch on?

If screw bells play worse in general, why are they so common among French Horn players? For a horn player, the investment in a cut bell pays significant dividends pretty much any time they have to pick up the horn and go anywhere. I see it every week - Tuesday night, my wife plays a fixed bell horn...
by JohnL
Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:23 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Alto Trombone Pitch?
Replies: 6
Views: 1532

Re: Alto Trombone Pitch?

The Olds F alto is quite "trumpety" compared to the Eb altos I've encountered. Not that one couldn't build an F alto with a larger bore (they've certainly been doing with Eb altos of late), but I don't think anyone has.
by JohnL
Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:05 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: Kanstul 1662 2004 manufacture
Replies: 1
Views: 540

Re: Kanstul 1662 2004 manufacture

You're parting with "The Claw"? For those unfamiliar with the Haynor Grip, it's mentioned prominently in an article on Doug Yeo's website: http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/faq/faq_text/tension.html There was a picture of Michael's horn on the Hornguys website for several years. If you do a Google im...
by JohnL
Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:41 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Phoenix, rising from the ashes.
Replies: 5
Views: 20756

Re: Phoenix, rising from the ashes.

I'm in on the ground floor... Maybe yes, maybe no. You may find that not being an "original" places you in a situation much like being an employee of a family business. Not necessarily a bad situation, but you have to remember that, while you may be treated well, you will never be part of the family.
by JohnL
Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:47 pm
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Big Band Performances and Fees
Replies: 15
Views: 25041

Re: Big Band Performances and Fees

Someone correct me with better numbers, but I was shocked to see great LA players in big band venues taking home $20 to $50. There's bands out there that play for whatever gets dropped in the jar. They're usually not that good, but the customers either can't tell the difference or don't care that t...
by JohnL
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What horn is this?
Replies: 14
Views: 1795

Re: What horn is this?

Leisesturm wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:51 am
I don't know. If his playing was any good, why would someone be poking him in the eye with a violin bow?
Y'all haven't spend much time around violin players, have you?
by JohnL
Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What horn is this?
Replies: 14
Views: 1795

Re: What horn is this?

blast wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:18 pm
BGuttman wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:44 am
Wonder how they played.
Not great.

Chris
But you have to admit, they looked pretty darn cool doing it.

Sorta like a DeLorean. Ornamental but not practical.
by JohnL
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:47 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 243
Views: 16526

Re: Db bass trombone!

The lucky winner was a Marcinkiewicz 107 contra MP. Shocked? I was! You shouldn't be. The idea of plugging in what amounts to a small tuba mouthpiece to get Richter-scale pedal notes isn't a new thing. The original Schilke 60 was supposedly based on an Eb tuba mouthpiece that Edward Kleinhammer use...
by JohnL
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: First bass mouthpiece
Replies: 10
Views: 1581

Re: First bass mouthpiece

If you want to go with Schilke, I would say 58. Otherwise, I'd say buy a Faxx 1.5G and play the snot out of it.

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