TromboneChat

JohnL

Ben is not longer with Shires. I think it's been at least a year now, but less than two (he was with Shires at ITF 2017). I know nothing of the circumstances of the separation. I heard he was touring with a show.

JohnL

Very interesting! I would have expected it to be similar to the 5B or basically be a tenor with a 'normal' tenor tuning slide sort of like how Shires or Edwards will make a 9" bell for tenor or bass but they don't necessarily make anything that is tenor on the valve side but bass on the bell side. ...

JohnL

harrisonreed wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:17 pm
No sense of humor, you fuddy dudds

as if the smilies didn't give a tip.
D
I was making a deep existentialist comment about the gravity of talking about an euphonium on thee trombone chat sight (it's about how it's pronounced, guys).

In that case, it's "an eew-phonium".

JohnL

Matt K wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:50 pm
Really? What tuning slide? Is it the same as the King 5B maybe?

I think it's actually unique to the HKO. It has to mate with the King Symphony bell tail on one end and the 88H neckpipe on the other.

JohnL

GBP wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:31 pm
I have always wanted to try that Conn 88h tenor with the 9 inch bell and bass slide.

Funny thing is, there's not much 88H left on that configuration. Different slide, different bell (all the way back through the tuning slide).

JohnL

That's an Euphonium. :biggrin: :biggrin: :idk: :shuffle: :tongue: Not according to Purdue University: When "u" makes the same sound as the "y" in "you," or "o" makes the same sound as "w" in "won," then a is used. The word-initial "y" sound ("unicorn") is a glide [j] phonetically, which has consona...

JohnL

Is the 421 the same instrument as the 620G but with a single trigger? It's quite likely that they are very close dimensionally, but there are differences in materials. The 620G has nickel silver outers while the 421G's are yellow brass. There are some other parts (cork barrels, for instance) that a...

JohnL

I suspect a lot of community players are in the same situation in which I find myself. There always seems to be a measure or two on one piece that I'd rather not fight a single on. Tonight is a prime example. Everything on the concert is easily playable on a single except one spot on one piece where...

JohnL

2B Liberty was a 1407 (????), 5B Symphony Bass was 1480 (??????? again! When those two models were introduced (1930's), King wasn't yet using the 2B-3B-4B-5B designations. The 1407 (Liberty 2-B) was a dual-bore offshoot of the older 1451 Liberty (the numbers don't seem to have been assigned systema...

JohnL

King used a 4 digit number starting with 13xx for Cleveland/Tempo models and 14xx for the Pro line starting some time in the 1950s. The 21xx numbers came later; late 1970s I think, with the 21xx number on the bell starting in the 1980s. Actually, the four-digit model numbers (I suppose "catalog num...

JohnL

I had some copying work done at Kanstul a few years back; I was quite happy with the result. Unfortunately, I do not know if they even offer that service any more. The person who was doing it (James New) has moved on. He's got his own business (or at least a website ) now, but it doesn't say anythin...

JohnL

Tbarh wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:04 am
How are the zirconium ones working out?... Almost as hard as diamonds, right?

I suspect he's using metallic zirconium (probably an alloy) rather than cubic zirconia.

JohnL

So many old horns and mouthpieces play great in spite of sloppy and inconsistent machining. I think they were just very forgiving designs. Or maybe only the good ones survived and the others were modified into paperweights... The pre-WWII ones were picked up in scrap drives and got recycled into ma...

JohnL

Try searching for "tropical weight" clothing.

Something like this:
https://www.studiosuits.com/custom_suit ... inen_suits

JohnL

There is no transposition when reading concert pitch treble clef music. You see a C, you play a C. That C, not the one an octave below. But trombone players seldom play off of music notated in concert pitch treble clef. If we see music in treble clef, it's usually in Bb, so a written C is a concert ...

JohnL

Not sure if this was parody or just early web blatant obnoxiousness. More satire than parody, methinks. The guys behind it (Scott Englebright and Donny Dyess) were both top-notch players who apparently decided to have a little fun at the expense of "that guy". You know who "that guy" is, right? We'...

JohnL

G bass reads concert pitch bass clef. You just need to learn the proper slide positions and partials to get the notes. Not sure where you would find a slide position chart. Maybe this will help: http://itsabear.com/Olds_Docs/P24G_Facts.pdf The position chart has a row for when the G valve is engaged...

JohnL

While it would be nice to have a lighter instrument, that won't help the repetitive part of the repetitive stress injury equation. A lot of that comes back to things we as players need to remember to do when we're playing long sessions.

JohnL

hyperbolica wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:46 pm
Hold it, I'm a little slow on the uptake, here. "Former" sales rep? What happened to Ben Griffin?

I seem to recall hearing a while back that Ben was touring with a show.

JohnL

Jakob Winter still has a website, so maybe it's just that they and Eastman have parted ways?

JohnL

Link to Facebook post That'll be a bigger deal for string players. It seems a lot of them use Eastman cases. I've always been a little hazy on the relationship between Eastman Cases and Jakob Winter. They look like the same cases, and I've seen Eastman cases sold under the JW-Eastman name. Anyone h...

JohnL

Here's one simple suggestion: when you put down your instrument after playing, get it out of your left hand. Your left hand spends hours and hours gripping the trombone when you play. When sitting and counting rests, there's no need for the trombone to remain in your left hand, gripping it in the p...

JohnL

Maybe John Sandhagen. His personal horn has a similar wrap. Improved weight distribution (more mass closer to the pivot point), less extension beyond the tuning slide (important in cramped quarters), less of a water trap than a tradition wrap. Thein uses a similar wrap on some of their bass trombone...

JohnL

... at our lesson the next day he unpacked that. "The piece was very exciting," he said. "But the brass played much too loudly sometimes." He continued, "You should never go away from a concert having focused on just one thing at the expense of everything else. Just because you heard me doesn't mea...

JohnL

TheBoneRanger wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:43 pm
A good repair guy will sort it out properly so you don't need such shenanigans...

On a modern horn, sorting it out would be easy. On something that's pushing 100 years old and looks it, discretion is sometimes the better part of valor.

JohnL

Does the current friction fit work as it should? You should be able to get a very solid fit with a slight "push and twist" - solid enough that it takes significant effort to separate the parts. If that's not the case, the first thing to try is making sure the mating surfaces are completely clean and...

JohnL

It seems to me you could anneal the ends of the tubes and expand a tiny bit with no risk of splitting. I'd be very leery of any expansion, even with an anneal. The tubes have some pitting on the ID (the leadpipe goes into the tuning slide, saxhorn-style) . If I played the horn more than a half-doze...

JohnL

I'm kinda curious as to what the OP means by "large euphonium mouthpiece"...

JohnL

I've got an old Conn 74I double bell baritone with a very loose tuning slide. I'm don't want to try expanding the inner tubes for fear they'll split. I've already dealt with the slippage issue (a stop rod installed by John Sandhagen), but I think it might be leaking a bit. I'm currently using Schilk...

JohnL

Do not discount the importance of weight, particularly when one is playing a double-valve bass for several hours a day. Add a body that's not as young as it used to be and shaving a couple pounds (or a kilo, for you folks outside the US) becomes very attractive. People have been having hand/wrist/ar...

JohnL

The suggestion was to make attachment tubing for a tenor a narrower bore. That's the way the McCracken-designed King trombones (4BF, late 5B, and Duo-Gravis) are - the attachment tubing is the same bore as the slide. Same people liked the result, some didn't. Or, Rolling Thunder. Alternates make a ...

JohnL

If you wanted the lightest possible TIS slide, you could eliminate the adjustment screw and extra brace(s) entirely and go with just a clamping device on one of the sleeves. I've got an Olds bass that is set up that way, and Earl Williams built a few tenors like that. Of course, you've still got the...

JohnL

Gold is slightly softer than silver which is slightly softer than copper. A solid 24KT gold leadpipe would probably cost $1000. I would try to get one made in Red Brass. Sorry, not solid gold, this would be gold brass v yellow brass, so higher copper content. Well, SORRY, but if you look at Mohs ha...

JohnL

I suspect the first "hand" came about at the same time as the first note played by a trombone in a conducted ensemble.

JohnL

And most tubists seem to think that piston tubas offer smoother slurring whereas rotary tubas give you more agility at the expense of less smooth slurring. That's also the general school of thought among French horn players with regard to the Schmidt (not to be confused with "Schmid") pattern doubl...

JohnL

The only compensating euphs and tubas use pistons. I always wanted a compensating rotary euph, but those double valves only seem to be made for french horns. Lots more room in the body of a euphonium, which gives a lot more flexibility as far as where the tubing goes. Also, we're talking a full dou...

JohnL

I think this is the case for french (german) horn also. I think the final nail in the coffin of piston valve "French" horns was the dominance of the double horn. Routing all of that tubing around a set of double-decker pistons would be a nightmare. I really can't imagine a piston-valve double unles...

JohnL

Unlike other brass instruments, the "default" configuration for a trombone is the open horn. Not just no valves down, but no valves at all. With the exception of buglers and natural horn specialists, other brass players never experience the feel of a true open horn. The resistance of valves is just ...

JohnL

Bonearzt wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 am
Call Anderson Plating and see what they have to say.

Does Anderson do chrome?

JohnL

Sounds a lot like the "Eastman by Shires" ETB630G. I don't see any 600-series horns on the Eastman site any more; not sure when they were dropped. There was the ETB630G with a gold brass bell and a conventional rotor and the ETB634 with a yellow brass bell and a Thayer. There's still some around; Pe...

JohnL

Have you tried a Schilke 51B? Or an M5.1 ? They're both "off-the-shelf" mouthpieces, so you might have an easier time finding one to try. If one of them works, great. If not, you can just move on...

JohnL

If screw bells play worse in general, why are they so common among French Horn players? For a horn player, the investment in a cut bell pays significant dividends pretty much any time they have to pick up the horn and go anywhere. I see it every week - Tuesday night, my wife plays a fixed bell horn...

JohnL

The Olds F alto is quite "trumpety" compared to the Eb altos I've encountered. Not that one couldn't build an F alto with a larger bore (they've certainly been doing with Eb altos of late), but I don't think anyone has.

JohnL

You're parting with "The Claw"? For those unfamiliar with the Haynor Grip, it's mentioned prominently in an article on Doug Yeo's website: http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/faq/faq_text/tension.html There was a picture of Michael's horn on the Hornguys website for several years. If you do a Google im...

JohnL

I'm in on the ground floor... Maybe yes, maybe no. You may find that not being an "original" places you in a situation much like being an employee of a family business. Not necessarily a bad situation, but you have to remember that, while you may be treated well, you will never be part of the family.

JohnL

Someone correct me with better numbers, but I was shocked to see great LA players in big band venues taking home $20 to $50. There's bands out there that play for whatever gets dropped in the jar. They're usually not that good, but the customers either can't tell the difference or don't care that t...

JohnL

Leisesturm wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:51 am
I don't know. If his playing was any good, why would someone be poking him in the eye with a violin bow?

Y'all haven't spend much time around violin players, have you?

JohnL

blast wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:18 pm

BGuttman wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:44 am
Wonder how they played.
Not great.

Chris

But you have to admit, they looked pretty darn cool doing it.

Sorta like a DeLorean. Ornamental but not practical.

JohnL

The lucky winner was a Marcinkiewicz 107 contra MP. Shocked? I was! You shouldn't be. The idea of plugging in what amounts to a small tuba mouthpiece to get Richter-scale pedal notes isn't a new thing. The original Schilke 60 was supposedly based on an Eb tuba mouthpiece that Edward Kleinhammer use...

JohnL

If you want to go with Schilke, I would say 58. Otherwise, I'd say buy a Faxx 1.5G and play the snot out of it.

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