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Nobbi

I just face the same situation ... I got to test two new MP's 3 days ago: - Klier Exclusive 6B (25,75mm, medium deep, 6,8mm bore) - Klier Exclusive 7D (25,5mm, shallow, 6,0mm bore) After 3 days excessive playing in comparison with my Bachs 6 1/2 A/AL/AM and 15C ... with every minute I drift further ...

Nobbi

I play a Lawler Model 3 and indeed with changing the flares (material, diameter, material thickness) one can change the sound drastically from clear bright lead to very soft mellow. Big advantage is the really small case (about size of a violin case) and compared to my King 5b, the Lawler 3 is reall...

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Damn Edward, this is one heck of an awesome history lesson ... I was glued to your lips. Very well done video and instrument comparison. I wouldn't have expected such a big difference. I recently had a Thein (kind of an early Maxim version from 1981) at home to test against Conn 4H, King 2b, Rath R1...

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I just talked to him on the phone .... super nice calm guy. It was a pleasure.
Most important: he will pack a little package to me.

Patience is unfortunately not my second name ....

Nobbi

You guys help a lot .... that sounds very promising to me. I just have to disagree with johntarr about the red flare sound. With Flugelhorns and red brass bells you get the most warm and mellow sound, it would surprise me if it's vice versa with trombones. Since I am always open for new things, teac...

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I have a questions to the experienced lawler players: 1. My model 3 (red brass stem, yellow brass main crook and neck pipe) came with a #5 Leadpipe. Since I love the more open sound, does anyone of you have played Roy's Pipes #5, #10 and #15 in comparison? Or should I go for a Rath R1 or Shires? 2. ...

Nobbi

I think he's just focused on manufacturing trombones.
One needs to set priorities.

Nobbi

A Lawler 3 I can call my own, now. What an amazing trombone. My most favourite sound at the moment I get with a 0.025 7.75" bronze flare. Just the #15 leadpipe is not my favourite, yet. I tried a Shires To #1 Sterling silver which sounds great and a Rath 1 standard which sounded very open as well. I...

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It's very important to keep your outer slide clean and dry. My tech suggests (and I comply) cleaning and drying the inside of the outer slide every day before storing. For this I also use the H-W Brass-Saver (inner and outer slides), followed by the Slide-O-Mix towel sheath. Air out both inner and ...

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Facts and fun (hyperbolica and harrisonreed), you guys enlighten my heart.

As a scientist I can only confirm harrisonreed's lines. Just testing myself a custom horn with different changeable alloy parts ... makes my ears, eyes and believe super wide!

Nobbi

I have to apologize to you guys .... when I first read this thread I thought "sure guys, tell me more, a little bit of different metal and it changes all?" It DOES change a whole lot. Just received two new horns to test against the Conn 4h and the owner of one horn sent me a Kanstul W6 leadpipe with...

Nobbi

Before I vote .... I am missing King!
Please add.

Nobbi

Andre1966tr wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:42 am
Of all options this was the worst...IMO

I totally agree .... I'd rather buy a second but fitting horn than ripping one apart! Complete no go for me.

Nobbi

This is an interesting thread ... I only drink water while playing my horns and don't eat at all. That is experience from 40 years of playing brass music ... and having found partial french fries after a heavy weekend and some drinks. THAT was gross. Since I dry out horns at the end of each day with...

Nobbi

If you can find out details about series and dimensions of King mouthpieces, CharlieB, please post it since I am very interested as well.
Thanks.

Nobbi

Many thanks for the nice words on the 402,Timbone, I love history of instruments. Maybe cou can help me out with the possibility to try 402 here in Germany, I couldn't find a close dealer having one to be play tested. I think about trading in my 1940's Conn 4h since I can't get more than just warm w...

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Just checked the net here in Europe .... no used Courtois 402 or Shires MD or MD+ availlable.
But I found a shop in Belgium who has both instruments new in stock. I will call them on monday if I can pass by and test them .... if I am lucky, they send them for testing to my home.

Nobbi

Thanks for this nice test report, hyperbolica. Most interesting points for me: 1. So far I thought, Courtois is more or less for classical music only. Now, I have something looking foreward to play testing. 2. I think of getting a Shires MD+ .... and you just report about it being nearly your favour...

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Acid bleed or not .... I truly think about a Shires Michael Davis. Is it worth it? Did anyone ever pass or even play one?

Nobbi

1. the sound
2. the feel and ease of output
3. the age

I want to enjoy and give my emotional states an adequate way of leaving my mind. Music is my balance.

Nobbi

Look at the sellers other offers .... all "professional instruments" .... you really trust those descriptions? Go for it .... sink some money! Same instrument, another chinese seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Gold-Brass-tenor-trombone-Miles-Volee-Horn-Cupronickel-Tuning-Pipe/30382025096...

Nobbi

I had all three horns at home for one week, now. Very interesting, surprising, disappointing at certain points. My original idea to have a King 2b was a good one and the 2b Liberty I had for testing is a beautiful horn and it's fun to play, precise to work. BUT .... it sounded like my 5b ... althoug...

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I am looking for a Conn 4H case ... the opposite of beaten up!
You may have? Image(s)?
Thanks, Nobbi

Nobbi

Actually I have a Conn 4h from 1940 here at home to test.
My only small shank mouthpiece, a MT Vernon 15C fits perfectly.

You may post an image of your refurbished 30h ... at least I am curious.

Nobbi

Update on the beautiful King 2b eaten by eBy GSP for it's "crocodile-leather" case: they are not spitting it out anymore because "they can not proof wether it's real animal skin or artificial leather". Makes me nearly speechless .... just four words are left: NEVER USE EBAY GSP!!!!! Meanwhile I trie...

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Elow wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:01 am
Theins are super expensive, if you can get one for 1200 that’s probably a good deal.

No ..... it's more like .... 4K ... this is why I am asking. Is it worth it?

Nobbi

Still being really frustrated ....

is there an Adequate to a 2b Liberty, out there?
Bach, Conn, Holton, Olds, Rath, Shire .... I can get my hands on a Thein Maxxim. Has anyone experience with Thein's?

Nobbi

Thank you for all the replies. Good to know, I don't need to look for certain years of manufacturing ... just can concentrate on the condition of the horn I desire.
Awesome ....

Nobbi

I wish I would pull your legs .... this is an insane story.
I really hope the seller can get the trombone since they definitely made a wrong decision (evidence is the returning pattern).
This needs to come to a good end.

Nobbi

Sorry guys, really bad news. US customs killed the shipping in eBay's Global Shipping Center due to international restrictions concerning the Alligator leather case from 1961!!!!!!! It has no certificate that the leather was from an alligator breeding farm. Further on they wrote, I shouldn't worry, ...

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To all King fans and experts, one question circling my mind for some time is: is there an era of King instruments of exceptional quality/sound? As everyone knows was King sold in 1966, the production moved to a new place and was renamed. Means, the used type of brass/brass supplier could have change...

Nobbi

Sorry for digging up this thread again, was on my search (again) for more information about King mouthpieces but it looks like, they never existed when it comes to official papers. I just shot a King 1 1/4H ... to train my embouchure especially for the lower register (need to slow down my lip vibrat...

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Beautiful instrument, well done. Enjoy.

Nobbi

Then it is mine, now!
https://www.ebay.de/itm/1960-65-H-N-Whi ... 1438.l2649

Now, I need Patience.

Nobbi

Thank you for the suggestion. I read a lot about Doug Elliot mouthpieces.
Big money is relative .... depends on what you get for it ..... even for one buck!

I made a mistake in my previous post: I feel much safer and more comfortable with the King mouthpiece. Sorry.

Nobbi

Thank you for your nice words .... seems like I have to enlarge my brass treasure chest.
I already have a nice mouthpiece for the 2b ..... a very mint Mt Vernon 15c..
I promise to play it different from die 5b ..... usually I let die instruments guide me since they all have their own character.

Nobbi

I can get my hands on a very well care taken King 2b Liberty from the early sixties. Question: does it make sense to buy it? Since I am a beginner on the trombone and work on a 5b Symphony .... it would maybe cool to have a trombone for the higher registers for Jazz (and I really love vintage brass)...

Nobbi

Thank you guys ... this helps a little bit.
I recently got my MT Vernon 6,5A .... the sound is comparabel with the King 29 but feels safer in the really low registers and different feeling on the lips.
Will keep looking for a Mt Vernon 2 or 3.

Nobbi

I have searched the Web and this Forum for a conversion table for mouthpieces ..... and I found many but none of them contains King mouthpieces. Also no documents from the various owning companies of the King brand/factory over the time. I would like to know which Mount Vernon mouthpiece would be al...

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My best fit so far is a King 29 mouthpiece with my King 5b ..... followed by a Mount Vernon 6,5A.
The King 29 has such a full rich sound and fit's my really thin lips, even in the higher registers (I have a background of 40 years playing Fluegelhorn with a VB 1,5C) ... I am amazed!

Nobbi

That mouthpiece is in really bad condition, I'd be afrain to rip my lips open. If you look around and take your time, you'll find MV 9s on eBay in really good conditions. I recently shot an unused MV 6 1/2 A on eBay with a Remingston shank. Got it yesterday, added 2 rounds of clear tape on the upper...

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Germany.
The brass workshop I am talking about is an absolute pro for decades. Master of building brass instruments.

Nobbi

Hello community, I am facing a desire to hand my King 5b from 1976 over to my professional brass instrument Workshop to get the 5b into a complete new lacquer dress. As original, of course ... gold laquer and the slide silver/clear ... as it was first sold in 1976. My eyes will be happy and the meta...

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