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by hyperbolica
Fri May 17, 2019 9:50 pm
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Kanstul
Replies: 96
Views: 5936

Re: Kanstul

if he's got the Olds S-20/S-23 bell mandrel. Mate that up with a dual-bore .547"/.562" slide and a good double valve set and you might have a winner (Mike, if you're reading this - I'd be very interested in buying one myself). The S20 already had a 555/565 TIS slide. Two things I'd do to modernize ...
by hyperbolica
Fri May 17, 2019 4:23 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Centered and edgy sound wanted
Replies: 9
Views: 189

Re: Centered and edgy sound wanted

Ferguson V. Slightly bigger than a 1.5g, but a lot more spike in the note. Get it at hornguys, or here used sometimes. Horn guys says it's more "efficient", which means more sound per volume air.
by hyperbolica
Fri May 17, 2019 9:56 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

I agree it's easier to move from small to large, but in rehearsals and performances, it doesn't work that way. You have to switch, and then you have to switch back. Even though it's easier, I think it's important to practice the switch both ways. In quartet, I have both horns set up, and we may alte...
by hyperbolica
Thu May 16, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: DG valves or similar on a small bass
Replies: 2
Views: 96

Re: DG valves or similar on a small bass

I put a DG section on an Olds S-20. The bore was within 0.010". I think the DG valves are ~0.562 through the valve tubing, and the S-20 was about 0.565". You can just about guarantee that the tr183 bore through the valve tubing is larger. It will definitely change the nature of the instrument signif...
by hyperbolica
Thu May 16, 2019 4:15 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombone with boring and bell size of a tenor?
Replies: 15
Views: 347

Re: Bass Trombone with boring and bell size of a tenor?

I agree that the throat has an effect, but as a practical matter, we don't have a way to compare throats. Throat diameters or expansion rates are never published. You'd have to physically gain access to each model to measure the bell right in front of the top turning slide. Maybe we should start ano...
by hyperbolica
Wed May 15, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombone with boring and bell size of a tenor?
Replies: 15
Views: 347

Re: Bass Trombone with boring and bell size of a tenor?

There are some horns between tenor and bass. Olds S20, P24g, P22, S23, Holton TR159 conn 88hk, King 5b, Wessex super tenor. Maybe some others. Look for horns with 9" bell and/or Dual Bore slide 547/562. I put a Duo Gravis valve set on a Olds S20, and got something that plays more like a tenor, but h...
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

You misunderstood; my apologies. I thought it was interesting you were using the same rim for all tenor but a different one for bass. OH, yeah, I did misunderstand, sorry. I haven't really solidified my bass piece yet, I've only been playing the L for a month, and keep bouncing between the L and th...
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombone - Jazz vs Symphonic
Replies: 11
Views: 425

Re: Bass Trombone - Jazz vs Symphonic

People here fight about this a lot. But sure, let's kick the hornet nest, it's been a couple of days. To me, jazz and pop styles require more bite, harder articulations, a brighter sound, more edge, more front end on the note (generally smaller equipment). Orchestral is usually thought of as a bigge...
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 9:45 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Music that influenced you as a trombonist
Replies: 14
Views: 327

Re: Music that influenced you as a trombonist

I grew up musically in the late 1970s and early 80's, so a lot of this was specific to that time. I drew a lot of inspiration from some of Elvis' later stuff, particularly Aloha from Hawaii that had a lot of bass bone in it. Embarrassingly, the smooth sound of the Carpenters has had a real influence...
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 4:58 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: 88H for parts only
Replies: 4
Views: 220

Re: FS: 88H for parts only

Would you sell the slide only?
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 4:57 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Your favorite bass bone hand brace?
Replies: 5
Views: 163

Re: Your favorite bass bone hand brace?

I have Getagrip and Neotech on different basses. Prefer Getagrip because it is more comfortable, interferes less with the levers, and is more easily removed. Plus it fits better in the case without the Neotech piece clamped to the slide.
by hyperbolica
Tue May 14, 2019 4:45 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

I think that’s interesting; I’m in the other camp, and I’m curious why you use the Ferguson L on bass. I wanted to like similar rim sizes, but I just can’t make my small horn sound like I want it to sound with a large rim, or my bass sound like I want it to sound with a small rim. For me, the diffe...
by hyperbolica
Mon May 13, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

Just in case the OP is a young impressionable player, there are aspects of small, medium, large bore instruments that are different from one another, and aspects of bass that are also different. You have to practice each of these separately. Bass bone serves a different function. You have to practic...
by hyperbolica
Mon May 13, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Bach 1g
Replies: 13
Views: 502

Re: Bach 1g

Some folks test bass bone mouthpieces in the low notes only, and then wonder why their sound is so dead. The big mouthpieces make the low notes easier, but anything else just doesn't sound as good. I'm not sure that there is a one mouthpiece solution to this. You get lost in the tuba because your so...
by hyperbolica
Mon May 13, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

Brad, I don't think anyone is saying you can play without practice, just that rim size can decrease the transition time between horns. I know I couldn't pick up a 5G and then pick up a 1.5G and play. It took me a week to make that kind of transition. But now that I use Doug's system (mostly) I can m...
by hyperbolica
Mon May 13, 2019 6:50 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Finding opportunities to play
Replies: 3
Views: 95

Re: Finding opportunities to play

Churches. Put together your own group. Sometimes you can make your own opportunities.
by hyperbolica
Sun May 12, 2019 9:52 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 47
Views: 915

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

When I spend a lot of time on bass and have to switch to a smaller bore, the first thing that gets me is the air. I wind up exhaling at the end of a phrase. There's a balance between overblowing and over breathing. Tenor takes less air, breathe accordingly. The next thing for me was the mouthpiece. ...
by hyperbolica
Sun May 12, 2019 9:33 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is .547 a catch-all?
Replies: 33
Views: 1063

Re: Is .547 a catch-all?

I agree that in academic situations the 547 is considered to be the only size you would ever want, but as usual, the real world is a different story. I also agree that when learning it is best to avoid a lot of changes. I played 88h exclusively from 6th grade until I was probably 40 years old. The c...
by hyperbolica
Thu May 09, 2019 8:18 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: What trombone for bass trombone part on Beethoven 9th
Replies: 20
Views: 472

Re: What trombone for bass trombone part on Beethoven 9th

I would avoid taking a big honking double valve. You won't use any valves at all. To some extent it depends on what the first player uses. Of the choices you present, I'd probably pick the 42b. 50b would be second choice. Beethoven never saw a trombone as big (bore and bell) as a 42b.
by hyperbolica
Thu May 09, 2019 12:16 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Bach 6iii trombone (price reduced)
Replies: 5
Views: 462

Re: FS: Bach 6iii trombone (price reduced)

These things are such great horns, but because they made so many of them, there are a lot of them in the used market. Very hard to sell for a price where you don't feel like you're giving it away.
by hyperbolica
Sun May 05, 2019 12:43 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Endurance training
Replies: 17
Views: 575

Re: Endurance training

Yes to lessons, even if it's just once a month.

For range you might try freebuzzing a couple minutes a day.
by hyperbolica
Fri May 03, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Buying Trombone Blind
Replies: 21
Views: 1186

Re: Buying Trombone Blind

Don't you guys ever get tired of this posturing? You're all way off topic. Geez. Might I suggest that those on either side of [this list of perpetual issues] go to the profiles of those you disagree with and click the Add Foe link. That way their posts will be minimized, and you won't see them. It's...
by hyperbolica
Fri May 03, 2019 8:50 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: WTB: Holton TR159
Replies: 4
Views: 174

Re: WTB: Holton TR159

Yeah, I had one, but I sold it. I know someone who has one and wants to sell it. Great horns.
by hyperbolica
Thu May 02, 2019 8:03 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is the best/worst trigger system for a two valved bass.
Replies: 12
Views: 600

Re: What is the best/worst trigger system for a two valved bass.

The Glantz bar, at first glance, ahem, seems like a great system. I've never used it, so as long as I don't use it I can keep that illusion. The thumb/finger arrangement seems pretty inefficient, especially for dependent systems, but it's the one I use. I've used the King 6b arrangement, double thum...
by hyperbolica
Wed May 01, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Dropping Bombs
Replies: 43
Views: 1093

Re: Dropping Bombs

BGuttman wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 2:21 pm
Psst -- Haydn wrote the Surprise Symphony (#94 - and it doesn't use trombones). ;)
Yeah, Haydn. Oops. Still. As Gary said, it's a technique composers use or don't. Not an ad hoc improvisational method. Don't encourage the kid to do more of this.
by hyperbolica
Wed May 01, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Dropping Bombs
Replies: 43
Views: 1093

Re: Dropping Bombs

Yeah, I don't think you can approach this as anything but a male adolescent attention seeking prank. Don't try to legitimize it. Doesn't have anything at all to do with the Mozart Surprise Symphony. It's just one or more PAK trying to get some attention. For whatever reason, this type seems to gravi...
by hyperbolica
Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Current manufacture single valve bass bones
Replies: 29
Views: 815

Re: Current manufacture single valve bass bones

If I could select anything and I wanted a single bass, I'd get an Olds P22, S20, Holton 183, or a Conn 60h, 71h or 72h. I'd never buy something like that new. All the best horns of that genre are in the past, especially if you exclude boutique makes. Favorites probably the Olds P22 or the Holton 183...
by hyperbolica
Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Anyone familiar with the Wessex .547?
Replies: 2
Views: 168

Re: Anyone familiar with the Wessex .547?

I've played other Wessex 547 horns, and they were really solid. Somewhat Bach-ish if you need a reference point.
by hyperbolica
Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Dropping Bombs
Replies: 43
Views: 1093

Re: Dropping Bombs

High school or Jr high?
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: WTB: Conn Bass Bone Slide parts
Replies: 0
Views: 93

WTB: Conn Bass Bone Slide parts

Need everything except the inners and outers. Stuff should be in reasonable or repairable condition. Anything from any Conn 0.562" slide. Looking for parts, or a slide with trashed main tubes. It would be nice to find stuff cheap, because the money is going to have to go into the tubes. PM me if you...
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:39 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn Artist Symphony
Replies: 17
Views: 728

Re: Conn Artist Symphony

To be honest, no, I wouldn't buy one of that era regardless of the price. But I'm spoiled by a very nice Elkhart.
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:20 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn Artist Symphony
Replies: 17
Views: 728

Re: Conn Artist Symphony

In the states, that's a fairly low price for a horn that might be a risk. With a good slide it's less of a risk. If you've got a need for the horn, go for it. If you're afraid of losing money you've got to try it first.
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn Artist Symphony
Replies: 17
Views: 728

Re: Conn Artist Symphony

They are decent enough horns. You'll need a slide job, it sounds like. No real way of knowing for sure without playing it.
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Like I'm gonna pay $50 for a rag on a stick!
Replies: 26
Views: 888

Re: Like I'm gonna pay $50 for a rag on a stick!

Go to the fabric store.
by hyperbolica
Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:23 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Very rough ballpark estimates on converting bass bones to new valve setups?
Replies: 9
Views: 341

Re: Very rough ballpark estimates on converting bass bones to new valve setups?

I agree that you'd probably be better with buying a complete horn. I pieced together a bass from used components for about $1400, including horn, parts and labor, but I was using older, less expensive stuff (40 year old dependent rotors from a King 6b, and an Olds S-20 single valve starting point). ...
by hyperbolica
Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:53 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Accessory Pouch
Replies: 13
Views: 433

Re: Accessory Pouch

You can buy Crown Royal bags in various sizes. With or without the booze. https://www.amazon.com/Crown-Royal-Purple-Large-Dice/dp/B00TEUTGFC/ref=asc_df_B00TEUTGFC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167137470607&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10834962462758655307&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&h...
by hyperbolica
Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: LI Brass Co Baritone Trombone
Replies: 10
Views: 424

Re: LI Brass Co Baritone Trombone

Isn't it more correctly named a contralto?

And just to be clear, this is used, right?
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:31 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Best option for a 72h replacement slide
Replies: 8
Views: 492

Re: Best option for a 72h replacement slide

Just as a follow up, I contacted MK and they said for $390 I could get a set of inners and outers for the 72h. Along with a donor slide for the braces, barrels, tenon, leadpipe and crook, (plus shipping and labor), and you've resurrected a slide. Surely someone has a cheap, trashed 72h slide out the...
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:21 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Schiller Instruments
Replies: 4
Views: 220

Re: Schiller Instruments

Some are ok and some aren't. Jim Laabs gets variable scores from customers as well. No real guarantees you're going to wind up with something you're happy with. If you're expecting something wonderful, you might look elsewhere. Go somewhere you can try some used instruments. Try-before-buy is really...
by hyperbolica
Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Finding the custom horn for me
Replies: 88
Views: 2837

Re: Finding the custom horn for me

Don't waste your time looking for the holy grail at this point in your life, primarily because the idea that a holy grail exists is just a figment of your desire for shiny stuff right now. You can't understand custom horn offerings until you understand what a standard 36b or 6h is all about. You don...
by hyperbolica
Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:37 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: unmarked trombone
Replies: 7
Views: 351

Re: unmarked trombone

Wouldn't a B88 have a red brass bell?
by hyperbolica
Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:04 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 44H Vocabell
Replies: 15
Views: 758

Re: Conn 44H Vocabell

It has a reserve. I bet it doesn't meet the reserve. I'd guess the reserve is outrageous (because it's a nice horn) but the bidders won't meet it. I think the bidding will go over $500 but it won't sell.
by hyperbolica
Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: unmarked trombone
Replies: 7
Views: 351

Re: unmarked trombone

Might be a 72h with some image distortion and a bad slide tenon repair. Definitely a Conn bass slide and a conn trigger and wrap. Could be a lot of things if the bell was replaced. Like a 72h slide with an 88h bell section with a B&S yellow bell. But the bell brace reinforcement is not a diamond, so...
by hyperbolica
Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:17 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 6h
Replies: 27
Views: 6573

Re: Conn 6h

I imagine the popularity came down to 2 things - price and the 48h being kind of a niche horn, while the 6h is more of an all purpose instrument. Plus the 6h was produced for more years than the 48h. Given the choice, I'd probably pick a 48h, although I think most people would pick the 6h. Both are ...
by hyperbolica
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Bb / F Thumb Lever
Replies: 4
Views: 241

Re: Bb / F Thumb Lever

I'm a little confused by what you are asking for. Are you selling the 421... used? Which is somehow undercutting your local dealer (you mentioned for the part so you can put it on the 421) but you also mentioned ordering a complete horn worth of parts which obviously wouldn't make sense if you are ...
by hyperbolica
Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Music Business
Topic: OTJ Classifieds Closed
Replies: 1
Views: 432

OTJ Classifieds Closed

Chris ran a nice service for the tbone community. I'm sorry to see this go. I have yet to actually buy anything on facebook, I guess I prefer the old school stuff. I tend to buy/sell more here than anywhere. eBay gets worse and worse all the time. Anyway, sorry Chris had to close it up. I know scamm...
by hyperbolica
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:55 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Best option for a 72h replacement slide
Replies: 8
Views: 492

Best option for a 72h replacement slide

I've read a previous thread about bad combinations and other ridiculous stuff like that. You could conceivably use a TIS slide, and lock it at a given lengrh. Or a slide that's not quite long enough like an SL6262, and just play it an inch off the bumpers and forget about 7th position. Is there a pr...
by hyperbolica
Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My Yamaha trombone made me bleed!!
Replies: 20
Views: 739

Re: My Yamaha trombone made me bleed!!

Snake bite! Yes, I 've done this to my self many times. Interesting how you say your horn did this to you. Keep your hand away from the slide. If you've got big hands just make sure you're not lazy about your hand position. You can also use a grip like a Getagrip, or a Neotech. Also, some horns have...
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: WTB: 78h (or 79h)
Replies: 9
Views: 278

Re: WTB: 78h (or 79h)

Actually, I think it is closer to 7 7/8". I like the more compact, focused sound. If you're used to bells in the 8" range, this will feel right at home. If you're sensitive to the feedback you get from the horn, then yes, a little bit of difference will be noticeable. Whether that's a positive thing...
by hyperbolica
Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:09 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 44H Vocabell
Replies: 15
Views: 758

Re: Conn 44H Vocabell

Some people like them, some don't. I personally have never played one, and I'm not really interested, but I have a friend who says he wants one. I see a lot of them for sale used, but I've never seen one at a gig. Depending on condition, of course, $500-750 ish.

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