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by hyperbolica
Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:29 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: High range - "Relax", "No tension" etc
Replies: 16
Views: 314

Re: High range - "Relax", "No tension" etc

I don't know if my experience will help you at all, but I learned to play high from a bass trombonist. He taught me to firm up the corners of my lips and bring them toward the center. Once I got the corners firm, it helped me control the aperture better. Air support is important, but without a contr...
by hyperbolica
Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single valve bass trombone choices.
Replies: 18
Views: 7608

Re: Single valve bass trombone choices.

Out of curiosity, can you add a plugin valve to a 421 like on the 622/822?
by hyperbolica
Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Bach Sarabande
Replies: 3
Views: 142

Re: Bach Sarabande

Very nice! Love your sound. Arioso was the first solo I ever played for judges in school. Bought back some memories. Thanks for making it available. The recording sounds fine, but I'm on a small laptop with small laptop speakers. From here it sounded great.
by hyperbolica
Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:23 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 500 vs 508 bore
Replies: 10
Views: 616

Re: 500 vs 508 bore

I'm with the guy who said the 508 feels slightly different more than it sounds different. You might be able to hear a difference if the bore sizes were played back to back. But then I'm the guy who bought Selmer Bolero, 3B, Yamaha 691, 891z, Bach 16M, Conn 30h, and Shires MD+ just to see the differe...
by hyperbolica
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex Instruments
Replies: 32
Views: 1562

Re: Wessex Instruments

I've owned 3 Wessex instruments - a Dolce euphonium that was probably 85% of a really perfect instrument, where the sound was probably not as efficient as it could have been. The second was a prototype double valve tenor, really a pro-level horn, as good as the best Bach I've ever handled. And the t...
by hyperbolica
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:05 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Valve Actuation
Replies: 8
Views: 342

Re: Valve Actuation

I've got both. Given the option, I'd take string because it takes less maintenance, can be adjusted perfectly, and is easy to replace if it breaks.
by hyperbolica
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Can I leave my horn on a stand ...
Replies: 13
Views: 485

Re: Can I leave my horn on a stand ...

An alternative would be getting a Hercules or other stand that holds the horn by the slide braces Yeah, I've got one of those, and I think it's the best idea for a trombone stand available. You are much less likely to damage the horn (those "dents" - really buckling - in front of the bell brace are...
by hyperbolica
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:20 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Can I leave my horn on a stand ...
Replies: 13
Views: 485

Re: Can I leave my horn on a stand ...

I've had my 88h for over 40 years and kept it on a stand (with a sock) most of the time and it's still beautiful.

Unless you clean it, the moisture never really dries (if you play every day). If you worry about moisture, swab the slide with a rod covered with cheesecloth.
by hyperbolica
Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument
Replies: 80
Views: 2267

Re: Single Valve Bass Trombone for Primary Instrument

No one can fault you. If you like the low notes, that's your decision. Sometimes just a change of pace is a good thing. You might eventually miss the action and timbre of the smaller instrument, so don't get rid of your small horns.
by hyperbolica
Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:12 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Horns used by major symphonies
Replies: 19
Views: 1580

Re: Horns used by major symphonies

When I was in the Navy bands in the late '80s, we were issued Bach trombones, 42, 36, 50, maybe some small bores too like 8 or 12 because we did a lot of jazz bands and show bands, as well as a 6 month Unitas tour (shipboard tours of South America and Africa) for show/jazz combo/rock band. I think t...
by hyperbolica
Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: True Professionalism!!
Replies: 6
Views: 321

Re: True Professionalism!!

Wow, the left handed 3rd bone player?!? Had his trigger and valve flipped. Should have bought a flat wrap.

How much extra did he have to pay them to eat those peppers? Most pros wont eat anything while they are playing.
by hyperbolica
Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:04 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: How Can He Do This?
Replies: 29
Views: 2213

Re: How Can He Do This?

The worst thing that happens to bell touchers is that they get that embarrassing ping as a fingernail touches the bell on the way out. It's not as charming as squeeking your fingers on the strings on a guitar. I was taught not to touch the bell, but I still do it sometimes, especially on bass bone. ...
by hyperbolica
Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: WTB: Shires T8 #2 leadpipe
Replies: 1
Views: 182

Re: WTB: Shires T8 #2 leadpipe

Still looking. Does anyone have a spare out there? Paypal or trade.
by hyperbolica
Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex Instruments
Replies: 32
Views: 1562

Re: Wessex Instruments

If I read the article correctly trombones will not be manufactured in the high quality department. Did I get that right? He says later "This applies to all the low brass, so also euphonium, baritone and trombones. Most high-brass will become part of the Overture range, as Wessex is mainly a low bra...
by hyperbolica
Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:00 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify this slide?
Replies: 4
Views: 277

Re: Identify this slide?

Low end Bach? The gusset is Bach shaped, the oversleeves are expanded rather than soldered. The water key is bent.
by hyperbolica
Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:02 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: High note technique
Replies: 37
Views: 1560

Re: High note technique

The pivot depends on if you have an over or underbite. Underbite will angle horn up as your teeth come together. Overbite will have the opposite effect for the same action. You can't learn from thinking about things so consciously. You have to do it for yourself, remember what it feels like, and rep...
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!
Replies: 23
Views: 2745

Re: Williams Lead-pipes. Help!

Matt K wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:25 am
...] by their former sales rep, Ben Griffin.

Hold it, I'm a little slow on the uptake, here. "Former" sales rep? What happened to Ben Griffin?
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Shires MD+
Replies: 5
Views: 832

Re: FS: Shires MD+ === price drop

Drop price from $2100 to $1900. Very nice player.
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:03 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Doubling on trombone and cornet
Replies: 15
Views: 510

Re: Doubling on trombone and cornet

I haven't heard a good argument to there being significant differences between how trumpet embouchures function compared to trombone, and I think that distinction is important. I don't think this is what he meant. I think he meant that strengthening your trumpet embouchure doesn't help you play hig...
by hyperbolica
Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Doubling on trombone and cornet
Replies: 15
Views: 510

Re: Doubling on trombone and cornet

I have an older friend who toured with big names probably in the 70s. He plays trumpet, trombone and bass trombone. He says the secret is to practice on each frequently. The trumpet and bone embouchures don't have anything to do with one another, according to him. I've tried to play trumpet size ins...
by hyperbolica
Sun Nov 25, 2018 12:48 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2905

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

Some brass bells ring when you ping them and on some notes. Is this considered a good or bad thing? I'm assuming that carbon fibre doesn't. Yeah, the Butler bell rings. I like bells that ring (Conn Elkhart). Ones that don't (Rath) still play well, but feel funny to me. My 88h has the dreaded "wolf ...
by hyperbolica
Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?
Replies: 14
Views: 501

Re: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?

Why wouldn’t you get a bass trombone mouthpiece for a bass trombone? Well, for example if someone plays more euph than bass bone, they might want to minimize how much confusion they throw at their chops. Consolidate both instruments on a single mpc. I got a EUPH DE mpc on the recommendation of Doug...
by hyperbolica
Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:23 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2905

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

When you are 25, weight is not an issue. When you are 50, 60+, or have an injury, and you've been doing it your whole life it becomes an issue. In fact, it can be the single issue between playing into your senior years or not. Development on trombone will help pave the way for tubas, where it makes ...
by hyperbolica
Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:26 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?
Replies: 14
Views: 501

Re: Euph Mouthpiece for Bass Trombone?

I have a Doug Elliott EUPH series 108 rim that I sometimes use with a J cup for bass bone. It's not great for really low stuff, but it sounds good for parts down to low Eb or so. I actually prefer my VB 1.25g for most bass playing, and a Schilke 60 for pedal G and down. I'm not a full time bass play...
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:26 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 921

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

Heavy slide + light bell = magic. The TIS Kanstul basses that I have tried have very light slide mechanisms in comparison to, say, a Greenhoe. As a result, I think it loses much of the magic of great TIS horns... This is entirely possible. I wouldn't call my Kanstul "magical". It works well in cham...
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: best practise mute-which one
Replies: 6
Views: 388

Re: best practise mute-which one

I like the (new) Yamaha best for tenor. You can get them without the electronics, I think, although I like the electronics. For bass I use a Shhhmute (the old Yamaha "bowling pin" works for bass). I've had a Wallace, which just felt funny to play. Ok for warming up and getting the feel of buzzing on...
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:56 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 921

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

elmsandr wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:15 am
... so i just blow in the little end.
Damn, I knew I was doing something wrong! :idea:
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: New Conn 88H’s made in Elkhart
Replies: 33
Views: 2276

Re: New Conn 88H’s made in Elkhart

As far as I know they don't fine tune the horns... The will send back ones that are lemons. They will repair horns that arrive damaged but still play well. I could be wrong on that but I'm pretty sure they don't fine tune horns. From their 88h site: We do inspect and adjust each trombone individual...
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:36 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2905

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

I don't know what process was used. After initial setup, filament wound bells would be cheaper to make than brass. That's the way fuel tanks are made, for example. The Dell slides were prepreg sleeves with lots of hand work. Hobbyists who make gliders, kayaks, etc., are using wet layup and a vacuum...
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:29 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones
Replies: 55
Views: 2905

Re: My new carbon fiber bass trombone by Butler Trombones

$3000 for a new small bore horn is not that much. A new Lawler is ~$2600, and a new King 3B is ~$2200. I think that price for the small bore is certainly reasonable. The YBL822 is ~$4800, so it wouldn't be out of line if the Butler bass comes in maybe around $6000, which is still competitive with Sh...
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 921

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

You can get another opinion on TIS at the Horn Guys site, in their descriptions of a couple Kanstul trombones - the 1662 and the 1688. The reason we have tunung slides at all is to put positions in a familiar muscle memory location, to allow us to play fast and in tune. Tuning every note with your e...
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:15 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Tuning in slide opinions?
Replies: 19
Views: 921

Re: Tuning in slide opinions?

I've got 2 TIS basses, a Kanstul 1662i and an Olds S-20 with dual valves. These horns couldn't be more different from one another. The Kanstul has a very dark, velvety sound some of my section mates love, but I'm kind of with you on that it's maybe a bit woofy or slide-euphonium. It's light for a ba...
by hyperbolica
Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:07 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe
Replies: 28
Views: 1505

Re: Build quality Shires, Rath and Greenhoe

I took delivery of a Shires a couple years ago, and the bell had an odd deformity which couldn't be shipping damage. It was as if the wrong flare was put on the instrument. Never got an explanation, I just sent it back for a refund. It played well, but was oddly shaped. I've also seen what seems to ...
by hyperbolica
Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:53 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Shires MD+
Replies: 5
Views: 832

Re: FS: Shires MD+

Pictures can be seen at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/urud6kymlmt4xd6/AABVtCaiZkczI5uF4nHTW9oPa?dl=0 The hand grip area has some wear. The padded wrap on the neckpipe is for comfort and protection. If you're worried about cosmetics, this may not be the horn for you. The case is in very good condition, ...
by hyperbolica
Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:31 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Shires MD+
Replies: 5
Views: 832

Re: FS: Shires MD+

Hyperbolica (at) outlook (dot) com should be valid. I'll send pix later today. Thx for asking.
by hyperbolica
Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Shires MD+
Replies: 5
Views: 832

FS: Shires MD+

Shires MD+ (508 bore) with original case. No lacquer no big dents, a couple small pings. Comes with original case. 1.5 leadpipe, and 1.5 yellow tuning slide, 7.75 yellow bell. Nickel silver slide is in good shape. No mouthpiece. Great player. $2100 includes US shipping. Email fox pix. PayPal. Possib...
by hyperbolica
Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: Looking for Christmas t-bone quartet tunes
Replies: 1
Views: 2940

Re: Looking for Christmas t-bone quartet tunes

Thanks to those who have replied, I appreciate your contributions. We are playing through all the tunes. Some really great stuff in there. Anyway, thanks again.
by hyperbolica
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:18 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 38
Views: 2754

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

sungfw wrote:
Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:25 pm

You're in luck:

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Lätzsch compensating rotary euphonium
Where did you find that? Nice catch!
by hyperbolica
Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:06 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Value Conn 6h
Replies: 10
Views: 1223

Re: Value Conn 6h

For a nice one from the 50s, $1500 wouldn't be unreasonable, depending of course on condition.
by hyperbolica
Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:15 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Did we always get "the hand"?
Replies: 9
Views: 1017

Re: Did we always get "the hand"?

You mean this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pvkBZqk3Q I think it changes over time, and depends on location and which group you are talking about. In the northeast, in the 80's and 90s, I played as loud as I felt the situation called for, and rarely got the hand. Where I am now (mid atlan...
by hyperbolica
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?
Replies: 38
Views: 2754

Re: Why did trombones develop rotary valves for F att. rather than pistons?

.... Routing all of that tubing around a set of double-decker pistons would be a nightmare. I really can't imagine a piston-valve double unless you used a Lidl-style change valve. The only compensating euphs and tubas use pistons. I always wanted a compensating rotary euph, but those double valves ...
by hyperbolica
Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: Shires Leadpipes for sale
Replies: 2
Views: 994

Re: Shires Leadpipes for sale

these are 547 pipes?
by hyperbolica
Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:08 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS Schmelzer BBb "Travel" Tuba
Replies: 5
Views: 3322

Re: FS Schmelzer BBb "Travel" Tuba

That looks a lot like a Chinese ZO tuba. Is Schmelzer reselling ZOs?

http://www.zoindustrial.com/products/br ... a/813.html

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by hyperbolica
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:51 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Carbon Fiber slides? Yea or Nay?
Replies: 16
Views: 2894

Re: Carbon Fiber slides? Yea or Nay?

@Reedman1, thanks for the real comparison. I can hear a slight difference, but probably only because I can also see what you're using. The brass slide sounds a little brighter, and more of the sound we are used to hearing from a trombone. The difference was slight, and if you weren't playing them ba...
by hyperbolica
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:24 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 243
Views: 16688

Re: Db bass trombone!

This maybe regarded as an insult, but it is, at least a part of it, my pure and honest curiosity. I have kept asking myself from the start: WHY must it be in this key? Why do you steadfastly insist that it must be in this key and the player must learn to play it as it is, instead of the other way a...
by hyperbolica
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:00 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 243
Views: 16688

Re: Db bass trombone!

The patents are filed i guess i can tell you. I took the liberty of patentimg trombones in Db, and D. Whether its a tenor or bass, i have a patent on it. Tr160 bell (150 158 and 160 same bell), flange, cross brace Getzen bass tuning crook not cut btw Getzen valves on the double bach valve and goose...
by hyperbolica
Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:03 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Sticky pistons
Replies: 12
Views: 9181

Re: Sticky pistons

It sounds like what might be happening, is that the valves are drying out after a period of time and are sticking (seizing). That has happened on every piston low brass instrument I've played if it's not used or oiled in a while. I don't think that, necessarily, indicates a problem with the instrum...
by hyperbolica
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:45 am
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: Looking for Christmas t-bone quartet tunes
Replies: 1
Views: 2940

Looking for Christmas t-bone quartet tunes

I'm in a trombone quartet, and we play mainly for charity. We sometimes get paid, but it doesn't really cover the cost of the music that we buy. So sometimes we make our own arrangements. We have a good book, but our Christmas stuff is a little slim. Does anyone have any (non-copyright) Christmas qu...
by hyperbolica
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:31 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Abilene Conn 88H Value
Replies: 5
Views: 1440

Re: Abilene Conn 88H Value

My Elkhart 88h has formed my opinion of what a trombone should sound and play like. I got it when I was in jr high school. But... I've also got an Abilene 48h which is equally perfect. If my 48h were from Elkhart, it would sell for $1500 easily. But it's not, so I paid $600 for it. I tend to think t...
by hyperbolica
Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: Reynolds Contempora Tenor TO-11
Replies: 7
Views: 1263

Re: FS: Reynolds Contempora Tenor TO-11: SOLD

Sorry, yes, it has been sold.

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