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by baileyman
Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:01 am
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Do you lick or moisten your lips before you play?
Replies: 46
Views: 21766

Re: Do you lick or moisten your lips before you play?

[quote=blast post_id=73850 time=1545865632 user_id=52] ...

I don't know of anyone who tries to dry their lips before they play (I never knew 'Satchmo'). ...

Chris [/quote]
sabutin does, carries a towel for the purpose.
by norbie2018
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Is this a reasonable goal?
Replies: 4
Views: 2765

Re: Is this a reasonable goal?

Have you identified an angle to the instrument that produces the most efficient results? One way to do so (borrowed from Sam Burtis aka Sabutin on the old forum) is to buzz a Bb and then place the mp in the instrument without altering the angle you have on the mp alone. You may have to angle the instrument a different way, which is good because then you've found your ideal angle to the trombone.
by VJOFan
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Is this a reasonable goal?
Replies: 4
Views: 2765

Re: Is this a reasonable goal?

[quote=norbie2018 post_id=76061 time=1548119674 user_id=2978] Have you identified an angle to the instrument that produces the most efficient results? One way to do so (borrowed from Sam Burtis aka Sabutin on the old forum) is to buzz a Bb and then place the mp in the instrument without altering the angle you have on the mp alone. You may have to angle the instrument a different way, which is good because then you've found your ideal angle to the trombone. [/quote] That’s pretty much what I did with some free buzzing added iin. I got a sound improvement and a little easier movement through my registers- and less discomfort.
by Jimkinkella
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:49 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Switching between bass and small tenor
Replies: 51
Views: 24971

Re: Switching between bass and small tenor

To follow up on both the current question and the OP's issue:

Find your home base, and work out from there.
I'm paraphrasing Sam Burtis (Sabutin - around the web).

There's a bunch of great advice earlier in the thread.

There's probably one horn that sounds right and feels right when you wake up.

It probably involves a particular bore, and a particular mouthpiece.
Figure it out.
Start on your home base, make the stuff work, then make the other stuff work.

If there's a particular gig coming up, by all means do whatever you can to make it happen.

Doubling is possible, but not easy, or necessarily fun.
by sungfw
Fri May 22, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Caruso-Landsman: anyone spend time on this?
Replies: 18
Views: 7153

Re: Caruso-Landsman: anyone spend time on this?

I spent a few months working through her YT videos, several year ago, after Sam Burtis (TTF_Sabutin) mentioned that she was one of the few people who were currently teaching Caruso's methods. Several of them were quite helpful (at least to me), particularly the one on slurring across range breaks (which appears to have been taken down) and the one on note tasting. Unfortunately, I got away from them and slipped back into my old habits 😢, and at this point just can't muster up the motivation to get back to them.
by Vegasbound
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:00 am
Forum: Hardware / Instruments
Topic: Any suggestions for new horns?
Replies: 4
Views: 1958

Re: Any suggestions for new horns?

Without knowing anything about your playing level/experience what ensembles you play with you will just get people listing their choice of .547 Bb/F horns

What do you play on now?

In the words of Sabutin, try everything and use what works for you

are you thinking boutique/ modular....is your playing at the level where this will make that difference?

Are you at college? If so what does your teacher say about your current set up?

Or you can add to the list you put the Bousfield Getzen and several others
by BGuttman
Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:35 am
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 9403

Re: Embochure fatigue

[quote=baileyman post_id=137181 time=1610632396 user_id=160] Wonderful thread illustrating how what works for on may not work for another. [/quote] To quote Sam Burtis (Sabutin): Try everything. Use what works -- for you.
by Posaunus
Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 9403

Re: Embochure fatigue

[quote=BGuttman post_id=137193 time=1610642147 user_id=53] To quote Sam Burtis (Sabutin): Try everything. Use what works -- for you. [/quote] Anyone else miss Sam's commentaries?
by harrisonreed
Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:06 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Embochure fatigue
Replies: 27
Views: 9403

Re: Embochure fatigue

[quote=Posaunus post_id=137205 time=1610655904 user_id=158] [quote=BGuttman post_id=137193 time=1610642147 user_id=53] To quote Sam Burtis (Sabutin): Try everything. Use what works -- for you. [/quote] Anyone else miss Sam's commentaries? [/quote] Yeah. Miss the guy
by timothy42b
Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:27 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Tangents
Topic: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?
Replies: 56
Views: 29499

Re: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?

[quote=Slidennis post_id=146136 time=1618487831 user_id=4264] And I miss RedHotMama, Precious, Sabutin, and so many others...

Do you miss Sabutin, timothy42b??? :wink: [/quote]
How would a person whose profile says they joined in 2019 know I've had some disagreements with sabutin? Those days are deep in the past. Best forgotten. Perhaps I knew you by a different user name?

I haven't seen sabutin on FB in a while, but I dropped out of the FB pedagogy group over the aggravation I was getting there (but not from him.) He did post quite frequently there when I was on.

The disc golfers are battling it out over momentum transfer in the throw, it's quite entertaining, and some of them are worse than any of us in their comments. Quite interesting on FB and a forum.
by harrisonreed
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:14 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Tangents
Topic: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?
Replies: 56
Views: 29499

Re: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?

[quote=Slidennis post_id=146136 time=1618487831 user_id=4264] And I miss RedHotMama, Precious, Sabutin, and so many others...

Do you miss Sabutin, timothy42b??? :wink: [/quote]
What about Geezer?

Hope he's ok
by Slidennis
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:30 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Tangents
Topic: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?
Replies: 56
Views: 29499

Re: Chris Stearn (AKA Blast) OK?

[quote=timothy42b post_id=146183 time=1618511220 user_id=211] How would a person whose profile says they joined in 2019 know I've had some disagreements with sabutin? Those days are deep in the past. Best forgotten. Perhaps I knew you by a different user name? [/quote] Nope, I was already on TTF with the same avatar, from 2004 or thereabouts...

It was fun looking at disagreements between some very rational persons and others more on the relational/psycho/spiritual side of life... When you have both side in yourself, as I do, it can come to everlasting internal dialogues inside of a same brain... So I did not interfere with you neither with Sam...

I just hope those days to be less and less a scientist and more and more an artist...
by Bach5G
Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:22 am
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Burtis book: Time, Balance and Connections
Replies: 70
Views: 21449

Re: Burtis book: Time, Balance and Connections

“try everything and use what works” = trial and error. Nothing profound there. With Sabutin, there was also an element in his advice of not blindly accepting conventional wisdom but rather finding what works for you.
by Vegasbound
Thu May 12, 2022 12:25 am
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Tangents
Topic: Whatever happened to…
Replies: 7
Views: 1852

Re: Whatever happened to…

Watch any video of the much missed Bill Watrous put his mouthpiece in his horn and you see him doing that, as do many others

Caruso, I use the 6 note every time, yes Sabutin (Sam Burtis) promoted the ideas, but remember Sam did study with the man himself.
by Mamaposaune
Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:32 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Musicians
Topic: Members from the old trombone forum
Replies: 36
Views: 7617

Members from the old trombone forum

Does anyone keep in touch with, or know the current whereabouts of these members who were frequent contributors on the old forum?
Sabutin - Sam Burtis
RedHotMama
Euphanasia - Steve Close

Are they on the TC? Maybe I've missed posts, or they have another user name?
by Posaunus
Tue Feb 28, 2023 7:29 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Musicians
Topic: Members from the old trombone forum
Replies: 36
Views: 7617

Re: Members from the old trombone forum

[quote=timothy42b post_id=203563 time=1677634442 user_id=211] [quote=Bleek post_id=202557 time=1676686285 user_id=15544] Anyone know how Sabutin/Sam Burtis is going? [/quote] He posted on Facebook today. He said he's been off social media since November due to health issues, but he's improving now. [/quote] :good:
by ttf_savio
Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:21 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 1293756

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

The last half year I have been swimming in mouthpieces. Trying-reading-trying again. I did read Sabutin´s good advice on how to try mouthpieces - thanks. I see more and more that we are very different and that one size or brand of mouthpieces works very different for us together with our different instruments setup.  Any mouthpiece whatever size or brand can be terrific in the right hands. Thanks to Mr.Stearn for this tread. I think many of us have made our horizon some wider after reading his posts and many other excellent posts in this popular tread.

I begin to understand that choice of size also can  have something to do with our different embouchure settings. I listen to some players with big buckets and they can sound very focused and nice. When I try it I sound like and elephant who don't know where to go. Doug Elliot have said something about this subject somewhere else? If he read this maybe he could enlighten us more?

Leif

by heldenbone
Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:12 pm
Forum: Hardware / Instruments
Topic: Courtois & Mille (probably not G bass) trombone
Replies: 32
Views: 5684

Re: Courtois & Mille (probably not G bass) trombone

>>Something else might slip in through the back door before October 3!

Bet on it.
--Sabutin
by ttf_savio
Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:43 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 1293756

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg1157209#msg1157209]Quote from: blast on Sep 22, 2016, 03:47PM[/url]Interesting... what is frustrating is that there is no logical and measurable way of identifying a great mouthpiece..... not a good or workable mouthpiece... a great mouthpiece..... a rare beast.

Chris Stearn


All this talk about mouthpieces got my weak soul popping out my hidden box with 1 1/2g mouthpieces.  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/dont.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/shuffle.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I did the Sam (Sabutin) method, blind method. This method should also be used in different ensembles! I have done it many times. Every time the MT Vernon win. Even when listening old recordings, no doubt. I noticed when listening old practicing records, the flow of music, making phrases is always better with the Mt Vernon…
by ttf_savio
Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:24 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 1293756

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg618342#msg618342]Quote from: blast on Mar 05, 2009, 09:33AM[/url] Some areas of a mouthpiece are more important than others... and all interact with each other to create the whole. Simple stuff then  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Chris Stearn

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=23254.msg618347#msg618347]Quote from: sabutin on Mar 05, 2009, 10:07AM[/url]Larry Minick...some kind of designer!!!

S.

Design........as I understand you people, its difficult to understand what makes a mouthpiece good. And maybe just a few persons in the hole world did understand it. I do believe it and have to say I don't understand anything about it. Its like a car. It can look very nice but could be just some crap. What areas are most important Chris?  I believe its the backbore but that is maybe wrong.  If its wrong, it is the part that touch the lips. But then I have almost guessed the hole mouthpiece..... [img]<…
by ttf_Bellend
Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:33 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??
Replies: 1683
Views: 1293756

Who in their right mind plays a Bach 1 1/2G ??

…>

I have a Warburton 1.5G and would urge you to stick with it for at least a month before making any sort of judgement about it.

It is not quite the same sound as the Bach but is not THAT different, and anyway, the longer you play any mouthpiece the more ones natural sound will come through only to be coloured by the mouthpiece.

I think the rim makes the most difference from the Bach as the attack is not quite the same due to it being a bit wider, however, give it time and your 'soft machine' as Sabutin like to call it will adjust.


After a lot of experimenting I've come to the conclusion that for me this is the largest mouthpiece I've found that still gives me what I ( and from what I've seen you post) you think of as a proper bass trombone sound.

Any bigger than this and the middle starts to go out of the sound, and it's all down hill in to 'flabbyland' from there  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/evil.gif[/img]



FWIW


BellEnd
by ttf_zemry
Sat May 19, 2012 10:45 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: More YouTube Trombonists
Replies: 2499
Views: 2107425

More YouTube Trombonists

Great solo and great band, Sam. Thanks for sharing!!

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28950.msg881645#msg881645]Quote from: sabutin on May 19, 2012, 06:55AM[/url]I don't normally post my own stuff, but I hadn't heard this in years and just ran into it. A great band, great writing...Louie Ramirez, I believe...and a great singer...Tito Allen. 1976. Conga soloist-Papo Pepin. "Por Eso" was the hit from the album "Feliz Y Dichoso." The height of the NYC "Our Latin Thing" years. I even like my own solo, and I don't say that very often. It was a good day for all.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_FMMvePwpc&feature=share]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_FMMvePwpc&feature=share[/url]

Enjoy. NY was burning!!!

S.

P.S. Check out the pianist!!! Driving the whole band. Charlie Palmieri, I think. Pure power.


by ttf_ctingle
Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:50 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: More YouTube Trombonists
Replies: 2499
Views: 2107425

More YouTube Trombonists

Perhaps I'm in a more forgiving mood today, but I hear a lot of good things in the big picture.  Bad audio - check.  Under rehearsed - check. 

Do I dig Papo?  Yep.  Do I did Herman Olivera?  Yep.  Do I dig many musical elements of this clip?  Yep.

That's cool.  Viva la bonistic differencia ! ? !  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/wink.gif[/img]


[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28950.msg820784#msg820784]Quote from: sabutin on Jul 11, 2011, 02:26PM[/url]He's not just out, the whole band is out. By the 6th note of the intro it is already unlistenable. Forced, out of tune on the 6th note, the trumpet player forcing (and not making it) by the 5th note...the last chord of the intro? Unbearable. The 3rd bar of the intro (4th including pickups)? There are notes inside of that chord...I think the worst offender is a trombone, but the recording is so bad I can't tell and the mush from the keyboard botches everything up anyway...that are not even in the right universe, let alone "in tune." Blend? Fuggedaboudit. The usual 2nd rate salsa-strained sound. The whole band is…
by ttf_ctingle
Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:55 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: More YouTube Trombonists
Replies: 2499
Views: 2107425

More YouTube Trombonists

While it's not my favorite tune or Papo clip, I dug the fact that Papo presented a unique arrangement on it, played a nice solo over it, featured a good singer....and the fact that it actually showed up in youtube and facebook "culture". 

My favorite or best Papo?  Nope....more of a pleasant surprise kind of "Go!".  Watered down for a performing arts center, but representing none the less.  I'll have to search more for any Papo I can find, watered down or not.

Cheers,

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28950.msg820759#msg820759]Quote from: sabutin on Jul 11, 2011, 12:34PM[/url]What is it that you like about this track, Chip? Really. This is a serious question.

S.

by ttf_josh roseman
Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:22 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: More YouTube Trombonists
Replies: 2499
Views: 2107425

More YouTube Trombonists

Missed this the first time around- but holy moly, what a soulful, stately and organic sound this is...
great chart & conception also-I always appreciate the sound of trombone honing in Coltrane's sphere in this way, it is a natural fit. Awesome, Sam.
j
 
[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28950.msg434933#msg434933]Quote from: sabutin on Feb 24, 2007, 10:36AM[/url]LORD ALMIGHTY!!!!
I had NO IDEA that was made into a video. Thank you SO much!!!
Can't find Cleve Pozar...haven't been able to do a thing with that CD.
All the trombones...that's all me. Played a small axe (Conn Burkle 32H), a .525/.547 and bass. I wrote the chart, too.
Drums? Cleve Pozar...one of my oldest friends...on Santeria ritual drums called bata.
Nice to hear it again.....

by ttf_Thedrakester
Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:35 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: More YouTube Trombonists
Replies: 2499
Views: 2107425

More YouTube Trombonists

…?

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=28950.msg434853#msg434853]Quote from: sabutin on Feb 23, 2007, 09:06PM[/url]Well...I DID choose the trombone...
[img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/horror.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/horror.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/horror.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/weep.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/weep.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/weep.gif[/img]
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  • by ttf_slidejj
    Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:21 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
    Topic: And who in their right mind chooses ANY mouthpiece? Plus how to choose, as well.
    Replies: 62
    Views: 24155

    And who in their right mind chooses ANY mouthpiece? Plus how to choose, as well.

    Actually one of the things that I'm having done is having the old leadpipe removed and Shires leadpipe installed.  The original receiver is very weird, it's hard to get a mpc to fit well.  I was actually having more success with small shank mpc with adaptor which convinced me I had to find a more "standard" leadpipe.  But the sound of that nickel bell... sweet.

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=35533.msg482230#msg482230]Quote from: sabutin on Sep 05, 2007, 10:28AM[/url]Olds horns open a whole 'nother can of kickass. They used a different taper in their receivers and what that decision essentially guaranteed is that only their m'pces fit right. AND...their m'pces sucked. Which is one reason why Olds horns never became as popular as their quality suggested they should become among serious pros.

    Have fun trying, though...

    Once again, a little creative buffing of your m'pce and some teflon p[lumber's tape should help with the problem.

    Later...

    S.

    by ttf_Tim Boyer
    Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:17 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
    Topic: And who in their right mind chooses ANY mouthpiece? Plus how to choose, as well.
    Replies: 62
    Views: 24155

    And who in their right mind chooses ANY mouthpiece? Plus how to choose, as well.

    I get what you're saying, Sam (or at least I think I do).  The part that gets me is this:

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=35533.msg481910#msg481910]Quote from: sabutin on Sep 04, 2007, 06:25AM[/url]
    About 10 or 12 m'pces in the 6 1/2AL or 11C/12C class. All with some plumber's tape on them so they fit into my slightly widened leadpipe receivers to the approximate depth that I generally like.

    Plumber's tape? That just seems like you've added a completely new factor in whether or not that piece plays well.  What if you added too much tape?  What if it's too high or too low on the mouthpiece?  Do you think you've ever thrown out a piece because it didn't play well, when in actuality it didn't play well because you toyed with the function/design?  I am really quite curious.  BTW, how/why did you come up with applying tape to the mouthpiece in the first place?  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/confused.gif[/img]
    by ttf_Piano man
    Fri May 14, 2010 8:26 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany
    Topic: a discussion of music and the trombone
    Replies: 117
    Views: 31251

    a discussion of music and the trombone

    I work with a couple guys a few years older than me who used heroin. Neither of them has used for many, many years. Both of them said, 'Yeah it helps, sort of'. Both of them wish they never did it. Both of them said what Sabutin said--that it's a shortcut to something you could do better without it.
    by ttf_monty
    Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:55 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy
    Topic: Jack Teagarden: Modern Trombone Studies
    Replies: 38
    Views: 13465

    Jack Teagarden: Modern Trombone Studies

    Sam,
    Did you try just renaming the file to something like teagarden.pdf?  Sometimes that will work.
    If you open the file with a text editor and it starts with %PDF it is a pdf file and should be safe to rename.

    Peter.

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=59989.msg855369#msg855369]Quote from: sabutin on Jan 01, 2012, 05:39AM[/url]

    Or...tell me how I can open the <iLividSetupV1-1.exe> file on a Mac. I'd love to see what Teagarden had to say.

    Thanks...

    Sam

    by ttf_griffinben
    Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:57 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
    Topic: Shires Q&A, what would you like to know?
    Replies: 1195
    Views: 393728

    Shires Q&A, what would you like to know?

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=73670.msg1183473#msg1183473]Quote from: tbathras on Mar 05, 2017, 08:11AM[/url]Tangentially related, I tried out a 2RVE 8" bell at the factory, with a 525 slide and I absolutely loved it.
    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=73670.msg1183502#msg1183502]Quote from: sabutin on Mar 05, 2017, 12:35PM[/url]Me too. My go-to horn, all other things being equal.

    S.

    P.S. Or the same bell in 8.5 size. A little more...dispersed. In a good way. Fills the room more than coming off the back wall.

    This has been the most popular medium bore trombone set-up in the years I've been here.  It just plain works.  Colorful, rich, flexible, malleable. 

    I personally use the T25NLW slide with larger shank receiver and 8.5" 2RVE bell often as well. 

    Ken Thompkins will be using a 2RVE 8 this week as he solos at the ATW, should you get a chance to hear him.  Highly recommended!

    Ben
    by ttf_dj kennedy
    Wed May 24, 2017 3:27 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories
    Topic: Suggestions on trombone stands?
    Replies: 73
    Views: 24687

    Suggestions on trombone stands?

     [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/horror.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/horror.gif[/img]
    some o  the new  hamiltons ////MADE IN VIETNAM    OUTTA RECYCLED HELICOPTER and shell caseings !!!!!!!!!!!!



    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=83215.msg1191426#msg1191426]Quote from: sabutin on Apr 27, 2017, 04:39PM[/url]Yeah...but...

    My several month old Hamilton's screw tighteners are already pretty well worn out and the cup suppoprt for the bell that's supposed to be adjustable never worked.

    A large piece of crap, basically. I'm using it...using tape to set the lengths...but REALLY!!!

    They probably sent you and Posaunus extra feet because they can't read very well.

    Sorry...I get pissed off when things that I pay for don't work. If I played like they are now making trombone stands I'd be working as a fry cook now.

    S.

    by ttf_BMadsen
    Tue May 17, 2016 10:53 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / The Business of Music
    Topic: A Pathetic Living at the Symphony?
    Replies: 175
    Views: 409249

    A Pathetic Living at the Symphony?

    Harrison, maybe your experience is different than ours, but I'm with Sam… more about it below…

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92651.msg1136537#msg1136537]Quote from: harrison.t.reed on May 16, 2016, 08:11PM[/url]The stuff you said about endurance issued getting you fired from a BQ or salsa band also means you wouldn't have been hired in the first place so that's moot.
    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=92651.msg1136618#msg1136618]Quote from: sabutin on May 17, 2016, 09:37AM[/url]No, it is not moot. I have.,..over the course of a long career...been hired for many jobs for which I was not really qualified. Sometimes I was almost qualified and the people who hired me:

    A-Knew I was serious about the music

    and

    B-Thought maybe I'd be able to learn how to be qualified fairly quickly.

    Others? Not so much. Bet on it. I almost never turn down a gig because i don't know whether I'm good enough to play it because I haved fooled myself so often, but when I am fairly sure I'm not qualified? Like say a bass trombone, principal trombone or tuba gig in…
    by ttf_bonenick
    Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:39 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / The Healthy Trombonsit
    Topic: The development of a doubler
    Replies: 21
    Views: 7276

    The development of a doubler

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=95070.msg1173490#msg1173490]Quote from: BMadsen on Jan 06, 2017, 05:44AM[/url]Markey's approach is more intuitive - Sabutin and mine is more analytical. Ultimately, they both will work - it comes down to what works for you in your development and willingness to slog through it.
    I am another doubler who was doubling in the past and now I am trying to expand the instruments I double on.

    Being a trumpeter, I used to double on anything between flugelhorn, B flat to F trumpets, B flat cornet and A/Bflat picc. For a short time I was doubling even on a french horn. Now I am getting into slide tbone - the biggest challenge being the slide technique.

    Every of the above mentioned instruments has a different blow and bore, the bell stands on a different distance of my ears and sometimes the register in which is played is also different. I just need to get to know all the specifics of the instrument and choose an approach that works for the specific instrument. I find it very important to have a very specific sound for any instrument I am going to double on (as it was pointed above about role models). As for embouchure - this is just muscle memory for my. I need to spend enough time on all instruments…
    by ttf_BMadsen
    Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:47 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / The Business of Music
    Topic: How good should you be by 11th grade to do well with a music career.
    Replies: 30
    Views: 107701

    How good should you be by 11th grade to do well with a music career.

    …img]

    Seriously, you'll need to be REALLY good with your money to avoid any financial problems. That generally means living WELL below your means - think 20 - 30% below what you make, in order to make sure that those months that you don't make much, it's there in the bank waiting for you.

    As for how good do you have to be - well, the best you can be at any point. Right now, it's about hard work - learning your craft, getting better as a musician, and prepping for college. Sabutin is right that you should aim for a school in an area with a busy scene. I recommend the same for a reason he doesn't bring up - often, the cheaper schools there still have great schools of music and top notch faculty, but far less tuition costs. You want to graduate with as little college debt as possible, because the greater amount of debt you carry, the more you have to make just to pay your bills.

    You will also want to endeavor to learn what schools have the most musicians making a living in the area you see yourself focusing. It makes things easier if there is a built in support network you can tap into to jump start your career - it's not mandatory, but it can help speed up the process, as long as you have done everything else…
    by ttf_ALT
    Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:05 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy
    Topic: "Letter M"
    Replies: 39
    Views: 83900

    "Letter M"

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=98054.msg1203589#msg1203589]Quote from: Blowero on Jul 15, 2017, 05:46PM[/url]I think it was Miles Davis who said this, but I could be remembering wrong. Forming an embouchure is like trying to spit a seed out of your mouth.

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=98054.msg1203607#msg1203607]Quote from: sabutin on Jul 15, 2017, 08:45PM[/url]That's an old school jazz idea. Not just Miles...many jazz brass players. I have heard it attributed to Roy Eldridge, myself. It works, too.


    In Jules Levy's "Cornet Instruction Book" (1895) he describes an embouchure formation (I paraphrase) as trying to get rid of a hair that is on your tongue. Basically the same concept.


    Source: [url=http://sheetmusic.library.sc.edu/MusicPaging.asp?o=1&mid=2991]http://sheetmusic.library.sc.edu/MusicPaging.asp?o=1&mid=2991[/url] (Page 3)


    Would love to hear someone play exercise 302 (page 61) from this book, too!
    by ttf_robcat2075
    Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:11 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Performance
    Topic: Body Language
    Replies: 11
    Views: 7132

    Body Language

    Actually, it makes me uncomfortable if one of the performers starts staring at me.

    As I go to recitals the thing I see most often missing in young performers is being able to cheerfully acknowledge the audience's applause.

    I realize it's a bit of a ritual but it can look genuinely appreciative or it can look like bad robot motion, like some sort of unpleasant obligation being fulfilled.

    I think there is a place for coaching there that goes beyond just saying "be yourself" or "just be natural".  The natural isn't working for some of them.



    btw, I'm pretty sure that pic up there isn't sabutin.  That's Walter White testing a new pipette for the lab...

    [img]http://www.brilliantisland.com/images/WalterWhite.jpg[/img]

    by ttf_baileyman
    Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:41 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: How do you stop using excessive pressure in the high register?
    Replies: 13
    Views: 5315

    How do you stop using excessive pressure in the high register?

    You may have to do some exploring in the way things work. 

    Pressure helps a little to play higher, and you probably do that because you have some success with it.  But there are other things to do that help better. 

    In another thread I listed three of them: more "air", smaller aperture, tongue moving forward and up.  It's easy to try to isolate these on some easy notes like F -> Bb in the staff.  Try getting from F to Bb and back by suddenly adding air.  Then try by contracting the aperture.  Then try by moving the tongue.  Heck you can even try adding pressure for comparison. 

    If you can get that working, then you have your work set out for you.  All over the horn work the same ideas and let your body figure out how it works.  Good time and lots of repetition is key. 

    You'll likely find later that there are notes that behave funny anyway, but for different reasons that these.  sabutin has methods to iron it all out. 
    by ttf_watermailonman
    Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:47 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Performance
    Topic: I recorded with my C-trombone, please comment :-)
    Replies: 24
    Views: 8385

    I recorded with my C-trombone, please comment :-)

    Hello

    Last time I did a recording and put it on sound cloude I got lots of help from here which really improved the recording, and made me WORK HARD. 

    This time it was very quiet. Maybe a C-trombone does not tickle as much  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/dontknow.gif[/img]

    In any case it seams not many have read the post.

    I decided to put some more work into the C-Trombone recording and now I hope to get some help from you (Svenne, Savio, Sabutin and Chris and others)

    The tune is "Preludio" from Violin Sonata in F Major by Arcangelo Corelli (1653-1713) and it is from a book with various solos with Piano Accompangiement Selected and edited by Henry C. Smith. The piano accompaniement is on a cd.

    Don't take into consideration it is a C-Trombone. The slide is good and the horn resonates which means I think it is usable. It is not worse than my other horns.

    Please comment, and do you think the C-trombone could be used instead of an alto?

    /Tom
    by ttf_BGuttman
    Mon May 01, 2017 8:08 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Beginners and Returning Trombonists
    Topic: Cracking higher notes
    Replies: 10
    Views: 4477

    Cracking higher notes

    You have some really casual music.  Mine comes with ledger  lines [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/wink.gif[/img]

    Then again, there is often an embouchure shift right around that Ab and G.  Sam Burtis (Sabutin) has mentioned it a few times.

    The way to get around it is to approach it from both directions: Bb-A-Ab-G, and F-F#-G-G#.  Try to play them  with no movement of the mouthpiece and try to play long tones.  Experiment with different placements and jaw positions.  Generally you should have your jaw almost closed for those notes.

    I hope Sam Burtis or Doug Elliott chimes in here.

    by ttf_Geezerhorn
    Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:13 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: More questions on high range?
    Replies: 43
    Views: 13691

    More questions on high range?

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=100375.msg1197429#msg1197429]Quote from: baileyman on Jun 07, 2017, 07:57AM[/url]It seems to me in my practice that working on low range does not necessarily benefit the high range. 

    However, the process of acquiring new or better low notes seems exactly like the process of acquiring new or better high notes.  And you don't get so quickly tired down there. 

    The process is as sabutin say, try everything and use what works.  It the low register, some unexpected lip movement, use of muscle (that one to the chin for instance), tilt, etc. may help that next note happen.  Who knows?  Gotta try. 

    Doing the trying in the high register seems to require much more muscular effort, at least until results show up and things get much easier.  But the process seems to be the same. 

    That's a nice sentiment, but it may lead to trouble. Tilting the head, the horn angle or the mpc placement might seem like a nice way to hit certain notes and maybe it is for some people. But not for me. My best bet is to keep everything rock steady as much as is humanly possible and train - over time - the muscles AND the membranes to co-operate through my entire range. YMMV! That stated…
    by ttf_baileyman
    Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:57 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: More questions on high range?
    Replies: 43
    Views: 13691

    More questions on high range?

    It seems to me in my practice that working on low range does not necessarily benefit the high range. 

    However, the process of acquiring new or better low notes seems exactly like the process of acquiring new or better high notes.  And you don't get so quickly tired down there. 

    The process is as sabutin say, try everything and use what works.  It the low register, some unexpected lip movement, use of muscle (that one to the chin for instance), tilt, etc. may help that next note happen.  Who knows?  Gotta try. 

    Doing the trying in the high register seems to require much more muscular effort, at least until results show up and things get much easier.  But the process seems to be the same. 
    by ttf_bigbassbone1
    Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:11 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: On Mouthpiece Buzzing
    Replies: 69
    Views: 26466

    On Mouthpiece Buzzing

    …msg1199157#msg1199157">[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=100602.msg1199157#msg1199157]Quote from: savio on Jun 17, 2017, 06:03PM[/url]I wonder why technical aspects like buzzing, high/low notes, loud, but never soft... [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/amazed.gif[/img], fast, never slow..., etc, always are discussed even if we all know its a different answer to each one of us?

    Why this big interest for technical aspects? I'm of course not on a level like Sabutin or Svenne and will never be. Still, isn't it more interesting to discuss more about music aspects? How to reach and develop music inside us self, how to make music in different ensembles orchestras , develop our self as a chamber musician or do solo things? How to listen around, how to play in different settings, how to use our internal radar to fit in? What is the role of our trombone in different ensembles?

    Of course we need technique but isn't it a different approach for all since we are all different? As solo players we want tips on how to develop our own musical voice. As chamber players we want a personal approach that will fit into different ensembles and players. How to use our internal radar/ears to fit…
    by ttf_savio
    Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:03 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: On Mouthpiece Buzzing
    Replies: 69
    Views: 26466

    On Mouthpiece Buzzing

    I wonder why technical aspects like buzzing, high/low notes, loud, but never soft... [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/amazed.gif[/img], fast, never slow..., etc, always are discussed even if we all know its a different answer to each one of us?

    Why this big interest for technical aspects? I'm of course not on a level like Sabutin or Svenne and will never be. Still, isn't it more interesting to discuss more about music aspects? How to reach and develop music inside us self, how to make music in different ensembles orchestras , develop our self as a chamber musician or do solo things? How to listen around, how to play in different settings, how to use our internal radar to fit in? What is the role of our trombone in different ensembles?

    Of course we need technique but isn't it a different approach for all since we are all different? As solo players we want tips on how to develop our own musical voice. As chamber players we want a personal approach that will fit into different ensembles and players. How to use our internal radar/ears to fit into any musical situation. How to play different styles? That's really the interesting aspects for most of us, isn't it?
    by ttf_baileyman
    Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:37 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: Is there anyone out there who tongues with the syllable "thu"?
    Replies: 31
    Views: 11957

    Is there anyone out there who tongues with the syllable "thu"?

    "thu" seems to be interpreted several ways:

    1 tongue sticking through the teeth

    2 tongue doing something other than a tip pointed touch to the back of the teeth or roof

    3 tongue striking mid-tongue, not tip first

    4 and prolly others I have misunderstood here. 

    For me, I'll say, these tip style tonguings feel like a dead end.  Starting from sabutin's long tones, in time, breath attacks, etc. the tongue takes a, whadayacallit, a "posture"?, inside the mouth for each pitch.  From middle G or so and lower, it seems possible to get from a long tone tongue posture to a pointed tonguing.  But from there up, especially much up, the tongue wants something else, and above 7th partial G, trying to do a pointed tonguing is positively detrimental to holding the pitch, seemingly because of the little volume created behind the point. 

    I'm not sure how many would call this posture that does not disturb pitch a "thu" but it could conceivable be called that. 


    by ttf_watermailonman
    Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:17 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: Idea: How to practice to reduce embouchure movements.
    Replies: 57
    Views: 14996

    Idea: How to practice to reduce embouchure movements.

    [url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=101391.msg1206616#msg1206616]Quote from: afugate on Yesterday at 06:09 AM[/url]Am I the only one that sees a distinct embouchure change when Tom ascends in the first video?  It happens right at the  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/BassClef.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/Line4.gif[/img] switch between the first and second octave.  If I were to use words to describe what I *think* I'm seeing, I'd say maybe it looks like what I think Sabutin describes as shifts.  But to me, it seems very forced, almost as if Tom's trying to use a smile embouchure to ascend.  The chops reset as he descends for the next pattern and then there's that shift again about half way up.

    --Andy in OKC

    Thank's. Sam and anybody who want to help are welcome.

    /Tom
    by ttf_afugate
    Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:09 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: Idea: How to practice to reduce embouchure movements.
    Replies: 57
    Views: 14996

    Idea: How to practice to reduce embouchure movements.

    Am I the only one that sees a distinct embouchure change when Tom ascends in the first video?  It happens right at the  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/BassClef.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/Line4.gif[/img] switch between the first and second octave.  If I were to use words to describe what I *think* I'm seeing, I'd say maybe it looks like what I think Sabutin describes as shifts.  But to me, it seems very forced, almost as if Tom's trying to use a smile embouchure to ascend.  The chops reset as he descends for the next pattern and then there's that shift again about half way up.

    --Andy in OKC
    by ttf_bonesmarsh
    Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:34 am
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
    Topic: Mouthpiece suggestion for jazz bass bone
    Replies: 68
    Views: 23321

    Mouthpiece suggestion for jazz bass bone

    …than a little frustration.

    When threads come up from years ago, or you do a search that leads you to a thread over 10 years old, the replies were then based on personal experience based on years of experience and a lot of the time decades of practice. People shared decades of experience in a new format.

    What do I see now?
    Well, if you can quote reams of numbers and decipher tricky codes to either Elliott mouthpieces or Shires stock numbers, you're on a fast track to a position as a volunteer moderator in an internet chat room. Not a bad thing, but not really based on decades of personal experience that a person like Blast, or Sabutin , or a lot of older well seasoned players can offer.

    My personal fear? What would a person like Remington have done in an atmosphere where ever d*mned word they uttered was open for debate by the peanut gallery on a global format. Or in a world where you could easily attempt-- in seconds with daddy's credit card-- to buy your way out of practicing.

    Take heart, everybody, eventually Doug Yeo will have once again been proven to be far ahead of the curve when he wound down and quit answering the peanut gallery for free. You have to work for what gems he offers, once again.
    by ttf_baileyman
    Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:35 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: That pesky high D....
    Replies: 26
    Views: 10168

    That pesky high D....

    A couple thoughts:

    One is that C and that neighborhood is a pretty common topping out point in the "hauling up", strength approach to higher notes.  I think what's happening in that case is having chops, mouth, breath tuned for something like F or G and then more tightness, more air, maybe more pressure, harder tonguing, tighter throat, C happens. 

    Stop me if that's not what is happening. 

    Two is that the jump to F sounds like a new embouchure and other face stuff tuned for that higher pitch.  Maybe lip compression, curl, piece moving, and F happens.  The effort at that pitch may not know how to modify for lower pitches.   

    If I am reading this right, you may have something like an octave gap where the face-stuff is not tuned well to the partial you want to sound. 

    sabutin has a million (or more) exercises that take those good lower notes and stretch them up, and those good higher notes and stretch them down, and fill in the blanks. 

    I for one sure wish I had had some good higher notes to stretch down.  It's been a relentless stepping out into the higher unknown one baby step at a time.  Your problem seems much simpler. 


    by ttf_baileyman
    Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:30 pm
    Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
    Topic: Slide vibrato technique - wobble?
    Replies: 12
    Views: 28552

    Slide vibrato technique - wobble?

    So many types of slide vibrato!

    Dorsey-rapid short
    Zenter-fast and wide
    Watrous-accelerating
    Urbie-slow, fast, overlaying jaw at different tempo, what the?
    Nash-or was that Urbie?
    classical guy-stiff weerooweeroo Bolero, ick

    sabutin can tell you about wrist orientation to help loosen things up. 
    Fontana would say it's hard to personalize it.


    It is worthwhile practicing everyone else's vibrato.  Long tone time is perfect for that.  It seems what you're saying though is that you have a stiffness in your wobble that depends on how far out the slide is.  That could be an elbow thing or a wrist thing.  You may find sabutin's wrist facing you orientation helps.  Or something else.  Try lots of stuff.