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by ttf_sabutin
Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:08 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Rosolino vs the rest
Replies: 168
Views: 418779

Rosolino vs the rest

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=35772.msg494585#msg494585]Quote from: josh roseman on Oct 31, 2007, 01:19PM[/url]
---snip---

I'm interested in the choices musicians make; to me, it seems that Rosolino was really able to "create his own shot," as they say in the hoops world.

Really, Josh...we do not HAVE any choices. We are who we are. Sperm meets egg; genes do their work et...voilá!!!

Rosolino.

Josh.

Sam.

And everybody else.

It is true that Frank was a total original. He had no choice in the matter. But "originality" is not necessarily a recommendation. It is of course necessary to be "original" to be a great artist, but originality in and of itself does not MAKE an artist great.

More is needed.

Frank? He was missing something important. Certainly not sheer musical talent. The OTHER thing. Whatever the hell that is. Like the judge said about pornography."I cannot define it,...but I know it when I see it."

Yup.

No blame, no foul. Just the facts of the matter in my view.

Do not try this at home.
by ttf_sabutin
Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:34 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Rosolino vs the rest
Replies: 168
Views: 418779

Rosolino vs the rest

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=35772.msg494455#msg494455]Quote from: BoneCall on Oct 31, 2007, 05:11AM[/url]That's an interesting take on it. Could it be that that "tic" was related to the same personality disorder that ended his life?

Who knows?

It always made me kinda nervous to hear it, that's for sure. Really. The reason that I so prefer the styles of people like Teagarden, Dorsey, Trummy Young, Urbie, J.J. and Jimmy Knepper to those of say Rosolino and Fontana is because of the relatively uninterrupted elegance and cleanliness of the former's lines. Even when they DID play embellishments, it was somehow integral to the melody and unexpected rather than a repeated interjection like someone saying "Y'know what I mean?" 20 times a sentence.

This is a pet peeve of mine with so many really accomplished trombonists. Like they feel somehow inferior and have to put all kinds of store bought window dressing and bows and ribbons on their melody. Give me Miles Davis or Perry Como any day. Just sing the damned thing.

When I hear that hiccup thing, I just turn off. Always have. I do not care HOW difficult it is. It's still a hiccup.

Later...

S.
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by ttf_sabutin
Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:43 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Rosolino vs the rest
Replies: 168
Views: 418779

Rosolino vs the rest

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=35772.msg493138#msg493138]Quote from: SensitiveJohn on Oct 25, 2007, 09:42AM[/url]So if 8 of you think that somebody is out there playing the trombone as well as Frank did, then tell us who it is.

Give me a break.

I got 8 right HERE!!!

Jack Teagarden

Lawrence Brown

Trummy Young

Tommy Dorsey

J. J. Johnson

Curtis Fuller

Urbie Green

Jimmy Knepper

And that's just scratching the SURFACE!!!

C'mon, man.

Rosolino was a great player.

But there have been...and are...SO many more.

And y'know what?

Many of them them cut him to SHREDS in terms of not using trombone licks...especially those damned turns...to mess up the contours of their melodic statements. That turn thing was like a tic of some kind.

You want to talk "technique"?

I played with three fairly young players this week...Vincent Gardner, Chris Crenshaw and Andre Hayward...who can play things on the horn that Rosolino never DREAMED of.

…
by ttf_sabutin
Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:38 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Most favorite mouthpiece
Replies: 70
Views: 103333

Most favorite mouthpiece

"Most favorite mouthpiece?"

Of all time?

Bach wins by a landslide. Bach m'pces are the gold standard by which all others are judged. For me? I still love my NY and Mt. Vernon Bachs on smaller tenors. I also like Doug's stuff. I'm using one on my favorite horn, a Shires .525, and eventually I'm going to try to put together a couple of smaller ones as well. Every Minick m'pce that I have ever tried has been fine; I use a Benge Marcellus that looks, feels and plays much like a 4-ish/5-ish Bach on my .547 when I am using it in jazz situations, and a Ferguson Jeff Reynolds model on my bass.

Vincent Bach revolutionized brass m'pce design in the '30s and that in turn revolutionized how brass instruments sounded and were played. Pre-Bach? Much more V-cupped, much lighter blanks and a hootier, slightly weaker sound and attack profile. Post-Bach? More muscle. That's what I see and hear, anyway, and I have tried a lot of old m'pces on the horns for which they were designed and listened to a lot of old brass recordings.

Later...

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:32 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Favorites Registers
Replies: 16
Views: 33454

Favorites Registers

I think that our "preferences" have a great deal to do with how we are built physically...especially our lips, jaw, teeth and mouth/tongue.

When I was a serious tuba player...in high school and college (I played large BBb horns and large tuba m'pces then)...I had a real preference for the lower ranges. I could play high but somehow the 2nd, 3rd and 4th partials were where I really felt at home. That's where my chops were most comfortable. But at the same time I was playing tenor trombone, and in mainstream tenor trombone m'pces those same chops felt somewhat cramped in the lower registers. I naturally gravitated towards the higher registers, even though I was playing a classic "mid-register" m'pce, a 6.5AL. This was all well before I had any understanding whatsoever about embouchure...I just played. High school, college...as an improviser I gravitated to the middle/upper ranges of the trombone but the lower ranges of the tuba.

Now I understand that my lips are fairly full...fairly fleshy...and they roll out into the tuba m'pce. That means I have a relatively heavy "reed" on tuba if you think of the chops in the same way woodwind players think of their reeds. But...in order to fit into a tenor trombone m'pce those chops have to be somewhat rolled in or else things get very crowded. So…
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:17 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Diversity on TTF
Replies: 46
Views: 68846

Diversity on TTF


QuoteSo, short version...  you personally have been quite a beneficiary of people being open to diversity and yet don't want anyone talking about the concept.

Yeah, that makes sense.
In my experience, "talking" about diversity only deepens the problem. Talk is cheap. So are laws supposedly enforcing diversity. What happens is that legislated "diversity" actually cheapens the system on which it is being applied. Only achievement should be rewarded. Achievement and the honest desire to learn. There was no talk about "diversity" when Thad Jones and Mel Lewis started their band. The only talk was about who could best do...and wanted to do...the job. Ditto in the NYC latin scene. No one hired Barry Rogers because he was of Irish/Jewish ascent; he was hired because he could do the job better than anyone else. No one hired Joe Wilder and Victor Paz...the two Jackie Robinsons of the NYC mainstream, working music scene...because they belonged to some sort of minority ethnicity. They were hired because they were flat-out the best at what they did.

Ron Paul on so-called "diversity" pretty well sums up my own position. (Emphasis mine):

QuoteRacism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in…
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:10 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Diversity on TTF
Replies: 46
Views: 68846

Diversity on TTF

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=93600.msg1160238#msg1160238]Quote from: Dukesboneman on Oct 11, 2016, 04:42AM[/url]As far as Diversity is concerned, as a Musician, Diversity to me means..
I can play in any style that is thrown at me on any given night and sound like that`s what I`ve been doing my whole life.
I don`t care if I`m playing with an all Black Band , all White band, In a horn section backing up an all Female Band, Dixieland, Avant Garde,
James Brown, Glenn Miller or Renaisance music  , Beethoven or anything else. It`s all MUSIC and that`s what I do.
To really survive as a player you have to be diverse.

Me too.

Exactly that.

Thank you.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:44 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Diversity on TTF
Replies: 46
Views: 68846

Diversity on TTF

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=93600.msg1144439#msg1144439]Quote from: robcat2075 on Jul 07, 2016, 08:53PM[/url]There are several people here venting their rage that "diversity" is a concept or even mentioned.

There must be some personal experience where your life or career has been derailed unfairly because of diversity?
No.

I personally have defied the "diversity" meme on every level of my career. I have played in primarily white bands, primarily black bands, primarily latin bands...and...best of all, bet on it...totally mixed bands for almost 50 years in NYC at the highest levels of accomplishment. All I have to say is that it is the totally mixed bands...the bands that hire according to only one quality (great musicality)...are the ones where the real thing happens.

QuoteLet's hear them.  Show me there's more to this that the word salad we've heard so far.

Names, places... give us some facts about how you personally have been affected.
Go look at my [url=http://samburtis.com/]resume[/url].

Why would I have any reason on earth to complain because of how I have "personally...been affected?"

My complaint has to do…
by ttf_sabutin
Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:49 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Polls
Topic: Diversity on TTF
Replies: 46
Views: 68846

Diversity on TTF

You can talk all you want about "diversity" here, but where the rubber meets the road...where the work is..."diversity" doesn't mean anything. It's just another politically correct buzzword. Including token minorities...no matter how they are defined...in the mainstream workplace does nothing but placate the bureaucratic hive mind that invented "political correctness" in the first place.

Let us instead speak of "equality." An equal chance for everyone...at the earliest stages of their life and forever afterward...to excel at what they do best. We can blah blah blah about "diversity" just as do the politicians, but when it gets down to actually producing systems that guarantee "equality," they all run for the hills.

Look at the ITA for all you need to know about large organizations. I was just at the ITF in NYC. Now...I know for a personally observed fact that there are literally thousands of quite seriously gifted, hard-working trombonists all over the world who are not visually identifiable as being primarily of European ascent. Where were they at that gathering? A rough visual estimate would put them at about less than 1% there. I also know that there are not many female trombonists in the mix, Why? Are we not living in a PC world? That's what the media has been telling us for several decades. If "diversity" worked as it is presently presented, would females not have the same…
by ttf_sabutin
Fri May 12, 2017 8:50 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Chit-Chat
Topic: What to do/see in Cleveland?
Replies: 9
Views: 3712

What to do/see in Cleveland?

LeBron James.

Really!!!

An artist.

AG
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:33 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Chit-Chat
Topic: Jobs ot be lost to robots
Replies: 16
Views: 32835

Jobs ot be lost to robots

Jobs to be lost to robots?

Broadway-style pit playing.

As soon as they get the virtual orchestra synth/computer interface so together that it can follow almost any mishap that might happen on stage?

Gone!!!

The unions will of course fight a delaying action, but ultimately they will lose just as they have lost against digital pirating.

Watch.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:27 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Mouthpiece Confusion
Replies: 98
Views: 32154

Mouthpiece Confusion

Just a short note on pedals/low range in general and smaller/larger horns and m'pces. The word counterintuitive has been used to describe the quite common experience of "better low range/less shifting on smaller equipment" for many players. It all depends on your understanding. Intution often doesn't work if there is not some sort of prior tuition going on.

Two ideas:

1-The ideal rim size for any player has to do with his or her facial physiognomy...teeth size and shape, lip size, overbite/underbite etc. When the aperture needs more room to expand for low notes than is allowed by the rim diameter, then a "shift" is needed. Ditto the other way. Too large a rim diameter will not help to support someone's naturally smaller aperture that works quite well in the low range.

2-Most low range problems are caused by a lack of resistance from behind the m'pce...in the embouchure and in the use of the tongue as a sort of air nozzle. Smaller equipment provides the missing resistance. Once one develops real embouchure strength and balance in the low registers then the small equipment crutch is no longer needed.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:30 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Trombonists
Topic: Delfeayo Marsalis
Replies: 59
Views: 22457

Delfeayo Marsalis

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=84632.msg1185594#msg1185594]Quote from: Graham Martin on Mar 17, 2017, 07:15PM[/url]On comparing Miles with Louis, it should be noted that Miles once said he never played anything that Louis had not already played.

---snip---
I suggest that anyone who thinks Miles was kidding should go listen to the duet that Louis did w/Fatha Hines. [url=https://youtu.be/hyb_wr40pog]Weatherbird[/url]. 1928. It is as simultaneously as free and as disciplined as anything the Miles/Herbie/Tony Williams/Ron Carter/Wayne Shorter quintet ever played. Total improvisation, total joy. The very beginning of real jazz. Pure improvisation, pure talent.

[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/le58bo1ggiitrhm/survivors-miles%20%2B%20Pops.jpg?dl=0[/img]

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:20 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Creation and Performance / Musical Miscellany
Topic: Playing Loudly, But Still Nicely
Replies: 24
Views: 8485

Playing Loudly, But Still Nicely

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=98021.msg1179495#msg1179495]Quote from: TomBone4 on Feb 13, 2017, 06:35AM[/url]Yes, I do have a teacher, but we do not meet regularly.


Thanks so much for the help, I did talk to my instructor and we are going to work on the long tones and actual playing, as opposed to changing mp or horn...


Now for a slightly unrelated question...


Mr. Burtis, I see on websites with things about you that you were the original leader of the Mingus Big Band?  [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/amazed.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/amazed.gif[/img] [img]http://tromboneforum.org/Smileys/otjf/amazed.gif[/img]

Did you do the crazy arrangement of Boogie Stop Shuffle that had the amazing intro with the bass and piano and then the song went crazy fast…
by ttf_sabutin
Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:23 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Pedagogy
Topic: A question about teachers in Guatemala City.
Replies: 3
Views: 22194

A question about teachers in Guatemala City.

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=98737.msg1186696#msg1186696]Quote from: jonathanwettermark on Mar 25, 2017, 01:29PM[/url]I have meet a conductor named Bruno Campo that is from Guatemala City. He started up El Sistema in Guatemala and I can assume he has a lot of contacts. He is now living in Graz and is working with Superar (a el Sistema inspired orginazation) in Vienna. Could be worth sending him a question on Facebook!

Thank you. I will get in touch with him.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Intonation and mouthpiece size for small bore instrument
Replies: 11
Views: 5307

Intonation and mouthpiece size for small bore instrument

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99367.msg1189831#msg1189831]Quote from: BostonChops on Apr 17, 2017, 07:57AM[/url]
---snip---

I'm certainly not a Gary Valente type of player.
That's OK...neither is anyone else that I've ever heard.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:43 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
Topic: Mouthpiece
Replies: 8
Views: 3470

Mouthpiece

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=99471.msg1190377#msg1190377]Quote from: Doug Elliott on Apr 20, 2017, 05:42PM[/url]This is a very typical situation.  You need the 4G rim size but the 5G cup gives you the sound you want.

There are mouthpieces available (including mine) that give you a more favorable combination of rim and cup.



What Doug said, too.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Sat May 20, 2017 11:47 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members
Topic: Sam Burtis in Mohegan Lake area, Thurs., May 25, 9AM and later.
Replies: 1
Views: 1362

Sam Burtis in Mohegan Lake area, Thurs., May 25, 9AM and later.

Hello folks...

Just on the off chance that someone wants to take or lesson or even just hang out, I'm going to be in that area having some work done on my car, and rather than trek back to the Bronx on the train and then trek back again I'm going to wait at the shop...Mohegan Lake VW. If nobody's interested I'll work on my laptop or something for the requisite number of hours...looks like 3 or 4.

Whatever...

Get in touch.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:24 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
Topic: Shires Gold Brass Hand Slides
Replies: 13
Views: 5438

Shires Gold Brass Hand Slides

Pay attention when Ben talks about his experiences with anything Shires-related. He has great access to everything that comes out of the shop plus he is really an equipment...I guess "appreciator" might be the best term. He likes all good-playing horns no matter how they are good-playing. Plus, he plays all sizes of instrument and m'pces as a high-level, working pro.

You cannot get better info.

Bet on it.

Later...

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:52 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
Topic: On Mouthpiece Buzzing
Replies: 69
Views: 26465

On Mouthpiece Buzzing

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=100602.msg1200527#msg1200527]Quote from: Doug Elliott on Jun 26, 2017, 12:43PM[/url]In my travels to the ITF right now, We just stopped north of Cambria at the elephant seal viewing area.  I counted about 80 of them on the beach and in the water.

Their vocalizations seem like about 4 hz and it sounds like about a C or D to me.  Some of them are lower and I might identifying the "pitch" as a G below.  I never really thought about low pitches like that before.

There is a line between frequencies that we identify as pitches and those that we identify as tempos. I haven't done or seen any hard scientific research on this, but my guess is that it is an individual thing exactly where that line may be. If you're interested in the ramifications of this as far as musicians are concerned, go read [url=http://samburtis.com/images/tbc/pg1-8.pdf] the intro to my book[/url]. I cover it in some detail.

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:58 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Mouthpieces
Topic: Started on Conn 12C small shank, need advice for choosing new moutpiece
Replies: 14
Views: 6202

Started on Conn 12C small shank, need advice for choosing new moutpiece

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=100817.msg1201810#msg1201810]Quote from: pizzaman on Jul 04, 2017, 01:31AM[/url]A 12C mouthpiece is great for someone wanting fast/sharp articulation while mostly playing above the staff on a small horn. Other C cups with slightly larger rims are also good for this situation. I am less enthusiastic about the large 6 1/2 AL on small horns. If someone wants the deep sound produced by the 6 1/2 AL on a continued basis, they would probably be more satisfied with a larger horn.

I am generally in agreement here, except for one aspect. Young players usually have only one horn...and would likely be confused by learning how to play two horns initially...yet they are asked to play parts that would be better on smaller equipment and other parts that would be better on larger equipment. The 6.5 AL and 6.5A m'pces are great compromises on a .500 or .508 bore instrument. There's plenty of time later on to get more focused, but...except for really high level undergraduate work in fine conservatories...a 6-ish m'pce can pretty much cover all of the bases required of most high school and even college-level players.

12C? Nasty down low when played by all but the real pros. 11C? 7C? Better, but no…
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:42 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
Topic: LEAD TROMBONE //SPECS//NEEDS /DESIRES/ATTEMPTS
Replies: 20
Views: 8468

LEAD TROMBONE //SPECS//NEEDS /DESIRES/ATTEMPTS

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=101937.msg1211489#msg1211489]Quote from: RJMason on Sep 04, 2017, 10:02AM[/url]Yeah Sam, love your insight!

In NYC I've done big band gigs where the lead guy is on a 3B+, 2nd on a Rath R4, I'm on a 36BG in the tenors.  I've also done Big Band hits with the more normal King 2B Bach 12 players and I'm on a 3B.

Most people will have a gig before or after a big band hit and take the trombone that can cover the most jobs in a given day.  Common conceptions about "blending with the right horn" are thrown out the window.  Silver Sonics paired with Martin Committees paired with Elliot Mason BAC models, and the sections still sound amazing!

Getting the right tool for the job makes all of that work easier, but the players are getting so good that once they have the Lead Trombone sound truly internalized in their brain they can access it on any instrument.

My personal experience, I have played a Hammond 13M on a 3B for a few years--definitely suffered from the King 3B 6.5 size MPC struggles to sound good when I first moved to NYC--but now I have switched to this new AR Resonance mouthpiece and…
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:24 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Accessories
Topic: Glenn Cronkhite Bags Back In Production!
Replies: 4
Views: 20790

Glenn Cronkhite Bags Back In Production!

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102134.msg1218824#msg1218824]Quote from: Geordie on Oct 30, 2017, 10:27PM[/url]Link is working for me. Pictures and prices on display.


Yes. It's working for me now too. The vagaries of the internet...

Meanwhile, I went to the [url=https://torpedobags.com/product/bass-trombone/]Torpedo Bag[/url] site and found the bags, although at a much higher apparent price than the store to which you linked.

Thanks...

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:53 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
Topic: Pedal tone question
Replies: 14
Views: 6144

Pedal tone question

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102387.msg1215203#msg1215203]Quote from: sonicsilver on Oct 01, 2017, 02:14PM[/url]Many bass trombonists (and tenor trombonists for that matter) have an embouchure shift somewhere around pedal G, Gb, F or possibly E, to keep going into lower pedal notes.

Perhaps, for your face, Ab and G are the last bits of the pre-shift embouchure and not quite as solid as the Bb and A, or the post-shift pedals Gb downwards.



Bingo!!!

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:54 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
Topic: Conn 32H, new to me
Replies: 10
Views: 6132

Conn 32H, new to me

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102567.msg1216774#msg1216774]Quote from: Dukesboneman on Oct 13, 2017, 03:47PM[/url]I tried that configuration and found that it lost a little of the core of the sound. more diffuse.
and the tuning got a little off. The 7 1/2" Bell gives the horn more punch
And the other way around with the 32H bell and the 78H slide was just weird.

I had a red brass 78H Special from the '30s. Dunno what the "Special" was supposed to mean, but it was. And I believe the bell was the same diameter as the 32H. Whatever...it's been a long, long time. I was looking for a little less "punch" at the time. Or rather...punch at a higher volume. The 32H bell I had started to get bright too early in the dynamic range for me at that time, and using the 78H bell fixed that.

S.

P.S. And yes, the tuning changed. "Off?" Again, I don't really know what that means. I play extended 1st position and adjust all positions continually on all horns. It wasn't unusable...
by ttf_sabutin
Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:49 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Teaching & Learning / Practice Room
Topic: Engaging your abs
Replies: 22
Views: 9950

Engaging your abs

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=102839.msg1219078#msg1219078]Quote from: Doug Elliott on Nov 01, 2017, 07:20PM[/url]Somewhat - depends on the range and volume.

Precisely.

Range-higher ranges produce more resistance. More resistance needs more "support" from wherever you think that it is emanating in your body.

Volume-louder volumes require more air. More air also calls for more support.

Add to this:

The overall resistance of the equipment. Smaller overall equipment requires more force behind the air to drive it into the horn than does overall larger, less resistant equipment. Also, the closer to the chops, the more import size has on resistance. This "resistance" thing also includes the embouchure itself and the whole tongue/vocal cavity situation.

Add in individual air capacities and clearly this is not a pat, cut-and-dried problem. I personally play a great deal of fairly loud, fairly high music on fairly small equipment, and when playing in those general ranges on that equipment I find that I do not generally need to "think" much about my support until I get up above say 10th partial C#. My abdominal muscles are engaged up to there, but not with any great force. After that range? I need to consciously engage my abdominals...or maybe…
by ttf_sabutin
Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:54 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
Topic: Rath R2 vs Shires Michael Davis +
Replies: 26
Views: 43514

Rath R2 vs Shires Michael Davis +

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=103560.msg1226455#msg1226455]Quote from: thepianoman04 on Today at 12:27 PM[/url]Ok. So, I received my MD+ finally and here are my first impressions.

Keep in mind the horn is supposed to include a counterweight but mine doesn’t have one at the moment. Contacted the guy I bought it from to see about getting one sent to me because I prefer the counterweight unlike Michael Davis and say John Fedchock who don’t use a counterweight.

So, at first blow on the MD+, the slide isn’t as smooth as my Rath R2 but is a very close 2nd. I’m sure breaking it in will help some. As for the Shires vs Rath sound, I gotta hand it to the MD+. I can definitely hear a difference in the sweeter tone it produces and it definitely has a bigger core to the sound whereas the Rath has a more “grit” or “sizzle” in the sound without even trying and is slightly more dull. Not necessarily a “bad” sound, just different from the Shires. The MD+ definitely blends better with trumpet IMHO and when I practiced with my wife (who plays trumpet) and we’re both locked in tune, the MD+ sounds like 2 types of “like” instruments whereas the Rath sounds like a slightly different blend of 2 different instrument types.
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:52 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements
Topic: FS: Pickett Bass Trombone Mouthpieces /Components
Replies: 11
Views: 6174

FS: Pickett Bass Trombone Mouthpieces /Components

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=97361.msg1174439#msg1174439]Quote from: mmclemore on Jan 12, 2017, 06:43AM[/url]I have a few Pickett bass trombone mouthpieces/components for sale.  All are in excellent to mint condition.
They play great...just a little too much mouthpiece for the limited amount of practice time that I have.

I'd prefer to sell it all as a set but I am open to offers to split for the right deal. All prices include shipping to the lower 48.
Pics available upon request...sent an email to: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]

Rims:

1R rim in silver plate; $60.00
1R rim in Acrylic;      $60.00
1R rim in gold plate;   $100.00

Cups:

1M cup in silver plate; $95.00
1S cup in silver plate; $95.00

$400.00 for the lot.

Thanks for looking
One question:

Do the 1 rims fit the 1 cups equally well? No discernible ridge where the rim meets the cup when fully screwed on?

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:08 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements
Topic: Looking for a good-playing brass 3B...pre-UMI preferred...in the NYC area.
Replies: 0
Views: 771

Looking for a good-playing brass 3B...pre-UMI preferred...in the NYC area.

Anywhere in a 50 mile or so radius. I know a promising young player just out of high school and headed for college who is looking for one. Cosmetics not so important as good playing shape and no serious dents or patches.

Get back to me.

Thanks...

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:26 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements
Topic: FS: Rare Moutpieces (Mt Vernon 4G, Sarad, Herrick, and Minick)
Replies: 1
Views: 1070

FS: Rare Moutpieces (Mt Vernon 4G, Sarad, Herrick, and Minick)

Email sent.
by ttf_sabutin
Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:03 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements
Topic: FS: Various Items (Books, Solos, etc..)
Replies: 6
Views: 3047

FS: Various Items (Books, Solos, etc..)

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=103227.msg1222278#msg1222278]Quote from: tylerschmitt54 on Nov 27, 2017, 07:44PM[/url]The description of the Pickett pieces is spot on. Sadly, I did sell both of them.

I would suggest sending Peter Pickett an email or stopping by to see him. His work is amazing and he would probably be happy to set you up with something custom as well.

We have already talked. I played...and bought...one Pickett m'pce that had amazing characteristics but it turned out to be too small for my needs. I wnat to try more before I invest in a trip to the factory.

Thanks...

S.
by ttf_sabutin
Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:40 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Classified Advertisements / Classified Advertisements
Topic: FS: Various Items (Books, Solos, etc..)
Replies: 6
Views: 3047

FS: Various Items (Books, Solos, etc..)

[url=http://tromboneforum.org/index.php?topic=103227.msg1222207#msg1222207]Quote from: tylerschmitt54 on Nov 27, 2017, 11:16AM[/url]Hello all,

I am listing another round of items that I am trying to sell to clean out space in my various rooms. I will list a base price but PLEASE if you have a better offer feel free to ask, I will probably say yes. I hate seeing this stuff sit around. Message or email at [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]

$8- Voxman Duets Vol. 2
$5- Pares Scales Book

$45- Grondahl Concerto Trombone and Piano Score

$15- Seiko Handheld Quartz Metronome, one of the older ones similar in shape to a credit card

Pickett Mouthpieces (2-part, pre-shires)

$50- 5.5s Cup 5.5r rim. Good condition.
$75- 5s cup 5c rim. Like New condition.

You can mix and match rims and cups on these as well.

Again, if you have a fair offer feel free to shoot it my way.

How do these 2 Picketts compare to Bach sizes? Large or small shank?

S…
by baileyman
Fri May 31, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: Problem with initial attack
Replies: 24
Views: 10834

Re: Problem with initial attack

TTF member saluting advocated playing your preparation as part of the music. That is, it takes time to raise the horn, form your chops, take abreast, etc., so play that dance in time before the note starts.

Seems pretty good.
by ttf_anonymous
Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:26 pm
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Horns, Gear, and Equipment / Instruments
Topic: Next Horn
Replies: 36
Views: 12111

Next Horn

Please do not under value the advice people like DJ and sabuin give you.

Really don't under value any advice on this forum, but these guys know their stuff.
by harrisonreed
Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:01 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Performance
Topic: National Anthem have we finally changed notes?
Replies: 36
Views: 10540

Re: National Anthem have we finally changed notes?

In the Whitney Houston's version, you can see the military honor guard saluting harder because it was so good. Yeah it was canned, but everything has been canned since the 1970s.

Despite the artistic liberties, that is the most patriotic and outstanding version of all time. It topped the charts for singles in 1991 and made #6 in 2001.
by Posaunus
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:32 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Teaching & Learning
Topic: best visual explanation and demonstration of overtones ever
Replies: 11
Views: 5944

Re: best visual explanation and demonstration of overtones ever

Thanks Doug. Now I understand.

I miss Sam Burtis's frequent posts and often-wise commentary as "Sambutin" on [i]The Trombone Forum[/i]. Let's bring him over to [i]TromboneChat[/i]!
by JohnL
Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:23 pm
Forum: TromboneChat Forums / Performance
Topic: National Anthem have we finally changed notes?
Replies: 36
Views: 10540

Re: National Anthem have we finally changed notes?

[quote=harrisonreed post_id=153631 time=1627254119 user_id=3642] In the Whitney Houston's version, you can see the military honor guard saluting harder because it was so good. Yeah it was canned, but everything has been canned since the 1970s.

Despite the artistic liberties, that is the most patriotic and outstanding version of all time. It topped the charts for singles in 1991 and made #6 in 2001.[/quote] I would contend that people's impressions of Ms. Houston's rendition were strongly influenced by what was going on at the time (the early days of the Persian Gulf War) and by the memory of the Roseanne Barr fiasco less than six months earlier (July 25, 1990). I never thought of the rendition itself as being particularly patriotic; to me, it was more of a showcase for the performer's vocal talents (thus the decision to add a beat to each bar so she could hold the notes out longer). As you pointed out, those listening had a [i]very[/i] strong patriotic reaction, but I suspect that the reaction would have been much the same to a more traditional interpretation
by ttf_Piano man
Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:30 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Practice Break / Chit-Chat
Topic: Religion Matters: Take 3
Replies: 814
Views: 217285

Religion Matters: Take 3

Timothy, what interested me was the idea that religion as a discrete entity is a hypothetical construct, and a rather recent one. The equation of nationalism with religion struck a chord with me as well. People who place real value and importance in rituals like saluting the flag seem just as religious to me as people taking communion. And it definitely gets all balled together--there are certainly people who feel that they're defending Christianity when they defend America, and vice-versa.
by Posaunus
Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:51 am
Forum: Hardware / Mouthpieces
Topic: Ultimate 11C?……
Replies: 41
Views: 8722

Re: Ultimate 11C?……

[quote=Rusty post_id=195699 time=1670589747 user_id=3347] [quote=MalecHeermans post_id=195677 time=1670552794 user_id=3128] The Ferguson 11 is ridiculously good. [/quote] The rim is really comfy but it has a very sharp shoulder leading into the throat and plays with a very hissy/fuzzy sound, for me. [/quote] [quote=ssking2b post_id=195698 time=1670588040 user_id=3785] I’ve played on the Ferguson 11 C and wasn’t impressed. It just was a little dark and dead sounding for me. [/quote] I guess this is why it's not all that productive to recommend to others your favorite mouthpiece. We all have different anatomies, and we all play differently; therefore we get different results.

I do know that Bach mouthpieces, though they work for many, are not the solution for me.

Was Sam Burtis (remember Sambutin?) right? :idk:
by ttf_Lou Natunze
Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:36 am
Forum: TTF Archives / TTF Archives / Town Hall / Notices from TTF Members
Topic: Obituary of a Musician
Replies: 19
Views: 10093

Obituary of a Musician

Nanook, Thank You for stopping in again !

You said, "So sorry for the loss of your friend...."

I think Revered Village Elder, would better describe his position in my life.

( But he would treat anyone that he just met as the closest of friends ! )

As he aged, Wally gave up the pogo stick routine. And then the trumpets for his shows.

The "key board ( organ ? )" allowed him to keep performing even at age 89.

BUT, just like clockwork, he'd still put a horn to his lips for the playing of "Taps" at any Veteran's funeral. 

(  I belive that you British Commonwealth Soldiers play "The Last Post" .  )

My own Father past away in February of 2014, and come the day of the his funeral, we found ourselves enduring the worst blizzard of the season.

(  blizzard = storm with high winds, ice, and snow; poor visibility  )

It is now, in this day and age, no challenge to dig a grave in Winter.

So there we were in the cemetery for my Father's burial. AND THERE WAS WALLY!

I am trying to return the favor of saluting His Service to our Nation (  and community  (  and self  ) ).