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1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:49 pm
by SamBTbrn
Hi everyone,

Just thought I would share a wonderful and rare trombone that I have in my playing rotation for historical music.

It's a 1927/1928 Courtois tenor trombone with quart - F piston valve.

Made before the factory moved in 29/30 it's design and size is in keeping with the old style Courtois's from the previous century.

I use this trombone as a 3rd trombone for French Romantic orchestral music where the French orchestral G - bass would have been replaced as was popular, and 3 tenors used for each part.

The bell, interesting, sits around 4th position, similar to traditional baroque trombones.

Enjoy,
Sam
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Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:01 pm
by Posaunus
Gorgeous. Does it play as good as it looks?

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:10 pm
by SamBTbrn
Posaunus wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2024 4:01 pm Gorgeous. Does it play as good as it looks?
Yes, it has a great sound.

I had the slide and some small things recently repaired by Marcel and the team at Atelier Pfeiffer in the Hague, and it runs great now.

The Valve is also interesting to use, honestly not the most ergonomic to hold, but moves smoothly and fast.

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:41 pm
by rudytbone
Gorgeous horn. Stunning!

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:53 am
by Olofson
What a beauty!

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:29 am
by timbone
So, Rue de Marais preceded Rue de Nancy?

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 8:47 am
by SamBTbrn
timbone wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:29 am So, Rue de Marais preceded Rue de Nancy?
Yes, the history of the Courtois workshops are as follows;

1789-1803 “Courtois” Rue de Mazarine

In 1803 The company split into two differnt fabriques.
1. 1803-1862 “Courtois Neveu Aine” translates - Courtois’ oldest cousin. They worked at Rue Des Vieux Augustus A Paris.

In 1862 this offshoot closes.

2. 1803-1844 “Courtois Freres” translates - Courtois Brothers. They worked at #25 and #21 Rue du Caire in Paris.

In 1844 Courtois Freres became Antoine Courtois and worked only out of #21 rue du Caire until 1855, when they moved to #88 Rue des Marais St. Martin, Paris.

From 1856-1929 they worked at Rue des Marais St. Martin, at which time the workshop started moving over to 8 Rue de Nancy.

In 1930 Courtois left Rue des Marais completely and worked out of de Nancy until closing in 1938 due to owner Paul Gaudet going to fight in WWII.

A full history can be read here: https://www.brasshistory.net/Courtois%20Dating.pdf

Re: 1927/28 Courtois trombone with piston F valve

Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 4:41 am
by Bart
Sorry to hijack this topic, but I think it is kind of related. I have a very similar Courtois, about the same age, with the piston F-valve. I also have a straight Courtois bell of roughly the same age. Only one usable slide that fits both bells. (The other slide is terribly damaged.) It is all in very usuable condition (valve and slides work well and the handslide could use some cleaning, but works really quite well).

I once had plans to use them, maybe even getting them completely overhauled, but that never happened. And with changing priorities, I have decided that I'd rather find a new home for them. Does any of you know a player (or orchestra?) that might be interested in these two bells and slide? I'm not looking to get the most out of it financially, but I'd rather find a good home. Thanks!