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What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:06 am
by ryebrye
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Found on Goodwill:

https://shopgoodwill.com/item/195612217

They say it "needs repair" but I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe there's some slight wear on the inner stockings or something that might need to be addressed...

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:24 am
by elmsandr
The “almost got it”.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:30 am
by Kbiggs
Can opener.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:32 am
by tbonesullivan
Was this supposed be someone's "poor man's sackbut"? I can't imagine that the intonation is very good.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:33 am
by cmcslide
Is that a leadpipe inside what's left of the bell flare in the second pic???

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:46 am
by Kbiggs
Nope, that’s the shank of a mouthpiece—the shank is out of round.


It looks like we have an answer for the custom cut-bell design. I’m guessing someone got their mouthpiece stuck, didn’t think to remove the tuning slide, and decided to use a can opener, metal snips, or some other weapon of brass destruction to remove it.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:56 am
by ghmerrill
ryebrye wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:06 am They say it "needs repair" but I can't quite put my finger on why.
I've bought a couple of (junk, parts, fooling around) things from them. I've never seen any evidence that any Goodwill employee at any location has any grasp of anything about any brass instrument. :lol: That is probably also true of any other kind of instrument as well.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:26 am
by Doug Elliott
I'd be interested to know what sort of process made that cut.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:28 am
by claf
Some kind of (monster) cutting pliers.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:41 am
by ghmerrill
Doug Elliott wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:26 am I'd be interested to know what sort of process made that cut.
It looks to me as though it may have been just straight through with a saw (hacksaw, bandsaw, ...), but then the edge was bent down in increments with pliers -- perhaps to enable it to wedge into some other bell-like structure.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:05 am
by AtomicClock
Attempted bead?

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:12 pm
by BGuttman
I would call this a hackbut, but it's not even a good one.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:24 pm
by OneTon
Good one Bruce.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 4:49 pm
by BGuttman
I have a much better hackbut. It's an older Holton Collegiate that somebody sawed off the bell flare. Nice clean edge. Doesn't sound anything like a sackbut, but played a lot softer than before. Perfect horn to use with unmiked school musicals.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:27 pm
by WGWTR180
BGuttman wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:12 pm I would call this a hackbut, but it's not even a good one.
That’s funny!!!

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:52 am
by elmsandr
Is this just a flare that got twisted and wrinkled, then somebody tried to “help” and straighten it out improperly? A bit extreme, but I’ve seen a number of holes just ripped in flares from similar bell twists.

Cheers,
Andy

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:24 pm
by djhendy
I think this is the result of a divorce settlement.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:30 am
by Doug Elliott
Somebody got it cheap.

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:31 pm
by ryebrye
Yeah, someone got a good deal on the spare parts / case

The shipping was about $40 to my place, otherwise I would have bid on it just to have extra Jupiter parts around...

The reason I didn't bid on it though is because I don't run a repair business and don't have any Jupiter student models in need of parts :lol:

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:25 pm
by JohnL
djhendy wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:24 pm I think this is the result of a divorce settlement.
Somebody else got custody of the bell flare?

Re: What do you call this style of cut bell?

Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:49 am
by Blabberbucket
Early 2000s Jupiter bells break like this frequently. It's a manufacturing issue. I have replaced many many trumpet bells that had broken in this way.