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Quote from: BFW on Jan 04, 2009, 06:44PMLes Sacqueboutiers de Toulouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq7-4SSxP50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxOEvNHkyqM

Thanks for putting that on there!  It just inspired me to play my sacbut in a gig.  Maybe even solo ensemble.

That is cool!
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Quote from: slideman on Jan 06, 2009, 03:31PMIs that Andy Martin in the section?
Yes, and Bob McChesney, too.
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Quote from: bachbone on Jan 06, 2009, 04:04PMThanks for putting that on there!  It just inspired me to play my sacbut in a gig.  Maybe even solo ensemble.

That is cool!

Oh, I dunno, I thought that first one was a bit fiddly....

J/K. Gorgeous.

Mind you, that lady is lucky she isn't in a band with my trumpet player. He's forever turning to me and hissing, "Smile!"
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Quote from: RedHotMama on Jan 06, 2009, 09:19PMOh, I dunno, I thought that first one was a bit fiddly....

J/K. Gorgeous.

Mind you, that lady is lucky she isn't in a band with my trumpet player. He's forever turning to me and hissing, "Smile!"

It was great!
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Not trombone-related but oh my goodness...  This is real music.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DLQcknhApjM

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Sanborn's Night Music show on NBC was truly ahead of its time.  I'm digging Elvis Costello's "Spectacle" on Sundance, but his show focuses on one artist per show so far.

Ivo's wedding band created a buzz when this was taped in the late '80's, appearing on a few TV shows if I remember correctly, and touring some.  It puts our multi-meter music in the US in perspective, eh?

Cheers,

Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jan 08, 2009, 02:49AMNot trombone-related but oh my goodness...  This is real music.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DLQcknhApjM

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Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jan 04, 2009, 08:28AMSam, who among the younger generation of trombonists (not necessarily on YouTube) comes within, say, 500 miles of this? 

Honestly and seriously, though.  Who have you seen, heard and experienced who really take the music to new heights?...in your opinion, of course.  In New York there are many, I'm sure, but around the world there MUST be guys and gals who are making this kind of magic happen on a nightly basis. 

Just pickin' your brain a bit.

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In terms of sheer musical honesty?

Lots.

Having had the chance to develop in a well-functioning idiomatic system for 15 or 20 years or so? (That's a very young 'Trane over there in the corner. Mid- '20s. I would guess. Just soakin' it up.)

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Not so many.

But we do keep trying. Image Image Image

Right?

S.
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Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jan 08, 2009, 02:49AMNot trombone-related but oh my goodness...  This is real music.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DLQcknhApjM

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The whole area north of Greece...Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...it's like the Cuba of that area. That's where the interesting stuff is happening.

Relatively isolated and thus free to develop in a more organic manner.

Yup.

Watch.

S.
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Quote from: sabutin on Jan 08, 2009, 09:32AMThe whole area north of Greece...Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Serbia, Romania...it's like the Cuba of that area. That's where the interesting stuff is happening.

Relatively isolated and thus free to develop in a more organic manner.

Yup.

Watch.

S.

I'm amazed at how many of the musician friends to whom I've passed this along have called it "utter crap" and "horrible"... 

I'm stunned, really...  utterly, horribly stunned.

eh...

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Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jan 08, 2009, 12:10PMI'm amazed at how many of the musician friends to whom I've passed this along have called it "utter crap" and "horrible"... 

I'm stunned, really...  utterly, horribly stunned.

eh...

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Could part of that be how utterly, horribly foreign it is musically to those folks?  For my ears these guys play the odd meters so completely fluidly that I have to listen carefully to verify that, yup, even though my toe is tapping (how could it not be) it IS one row of odd patterns after another.  Obviously, these meters are not odd to the players!!!

Don Ellis notwithstanding, how many charts can we find in most big band books with the numerator in the time signature being a prime number over 7? 
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Well, I wouldn't put it quite so strongly as that, Wes. They are obviously excellent musicians and the music is not unpleasant. However, one long tune was enough. If I were at a wedding (or concert or club) and this was all that was playing all night, I would swiftly go mad. Or go home. It makes me think of a mosquito buzzing continuously in your ear.
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Quote from: RedHotMama on Jan 08, 2009, 12:31PMWell, I wouldn't put it quite so strongly as that, Wes. They are obviously excellent musicians and the music is not unpleasant. However, one long tune was enough. If I were at a wedding (or concert or club) and this was all that was playing all night, I would swiftly go mad. Or go home. It makes me think of a mosquito buzzing continuously in your ear.

...I don't recall many crazy Bulgarians terrorizing rental tuxedo shops in the last hundred or so years so I suppose it's safe to listen to...

Here's an analysis from a drummer I trust - unless it's a wrong analysis, in which case I no longer trust him:

"It's a series time signatures based around the melody.  There's a section that's mostly in 3 (6/8 likely). But there is a repetitive melody for each section - it's a matter of counting out the beats for it. some of the bars are 16th based (i.e. 7/16) so that pulse isn't something you can steadily tap with your foot. The drummer is accenting the main parts of the beat on the cymbals...so that's a frame of reference if that helps.

..leave it to a drummer to figure it out.

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Oooooooooo, you caught me in mid-edit, Wes! I hope you don't mind, but I've corrected the quote.
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Keep in mind that Papazov is essentially playing "pop" versions of traditional dance forms... sort of like an electric blue-grass group (not the best analogy, I know)...

People do dance to these, especially at weddings.

Here is a ruchenitsa performed on the gaida which is a bagpipe.  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=E8v1Z5g-DLU

I wish I knew more about this musical tradition, it's fascinating... Jacob Garchik could tell more, I think.
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This is the kind of music Michael Brecker had beeing diving into the last couple years of his life, so I hear.  He had hoped to produce a recording of his own music within this genre or a jazz hybrid, but was persuaded by Pat Metheny to do the project that led to "Pilgramage", his last recording before his passing.

I'd be interested to hear more from anyone closer to Mike or his colleagues.

Cheers,
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Here's a young Jiggs Whigham w a Berlin radio big band from 1966 on "Alice in Wonderland".  Wouldn't it be life changing for us here in the US if radio big bands existed in most major cities???!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3MU7K3Zg2I&sdig=1

Enjoy,
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Beautiful.. 

No beard..weird.

Bright sound...no beard.  Nice suit!

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I know a little about Serbian music, and even less about Bulgarian music, but I do know that the musicians there tend to think of the music in terms of the big beats. Instead of 7/16 broken up as 3, 2, 2, they just think of it as "3", with the first beat a little longer than the others.
For us westerners, it's easier to digest as carefully notated odd meters like 7/16, which is never entirely accurate.
In the gaida link above, the bagpipe version of a ruchenitsa can be thought of as 7/16. And yes, it is dance music.
For the Paposov clip, to my ears each section contains a complex combination of many different meters. For the very first section it sounds something like this:

7(3 2 2)
11(2 2 3 2 2)
7(3 2 2)
11(2 2 3 2 2)
7(3 2 2)
16(2 2 3 2 3 2 2)
19(3 3 3 3 3 2 2)

As you can see, it's based on smaller odd meter bars which are common in Bulgarian music (Like 7 and 11). Actually most of the melodic fragments are typical Balkan, which helps me to figure out what the meters are. Like I said I'm no expert in Bulgarian music, but I have the feeling this is a virtuosic showpiece tune that would not be used for dancing, unless the dancers knew each sequence of steps for each section. It's sort of like comparing Weather Report (not danceable) to James Brown(danceable).
The last section is a typical Bulgarian 12/8 type thing which just gets faster towards the end. You could dance to that.
This sax player I believe is Yuri Yunakov who lives in NJ now. good stuff
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Hey guys check out Georgi he's Bulgarian Image

http://kornazov.com/bio-en.html

Enjoy!!!!

Chris.
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Enlightening, expansive give n take.....ON THE TROMBONEFORUM!!!!  Things are lookin up!!  WhooHoooo!!!

Thanks for leading me to some new sounds, all, and for the help to understand them.

Cheers,


And now from my daughter, Courtney:

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Quote from: Chris Fidler on Jan 09, 2009, 08:40AMHey guys check out Georgi he's Bulgarian Image

http://kornazov.com/bio-en.html

Enjoy!!!!

Chris.

Here's a youtube of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95k8cU5ZLw but more interesting (to me at least) are his takes on the traditional Bulgarian stylings:

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/Kopanitsa.mp3

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/GankinoHoro.mp3

There are some cool sounds on his music page... http://www.kornazov.com/downloads.html
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Quote from: JacobGarchik on Jan 09, 2009, 08:27AMI know a little about Serbian music, and even less about Bulgarian music, but I do know that the musicians there tend to think of the music in terms of the big beats. Instead of 7/16 broken up as 3, 2, 2, they just think of it as "3", with the first beat a little longer than the others.
For us westerners, it's easier to digest as carefully notated odd meters like 7/16, which is never entirely accurate.
In the gaida link above, the bagpipe version of a ruchenitsa can be thought of as 7/16. And yes, it is dance music.
For the Paposov clip, to my ears each section contains a complex combination of many different meters. For the very first section it sounds something like this:

7(3 2 2)
11(2 2 3 2 2)
7(3 2 2)
11(2 2 3 2 2)
7(3 2 2)
16(2 2 3 2 3 2 2)
19(3 3 3 3 3 2 2)

As you can see, it's based on smaller odd meter bars which are common in Bulgarian music (Like 7 and 11). Actually most of the melodic fragments are typical Balkan, which helps me to figure out what the meters are. Like I said I'm no expert in Bulgarian music, but I have the feeling this is a virtuosic showpiece tune that would not be used for dancing, unless the dancers knew each sequence of steps for each section. It's sort of like comparing Weather Report (not danceable) to James Brown(danceable).
The last section is a typical Bulgarian 12/8 type thing which just gets faster towards the end. You could dance to that.
This sax player I believe is Yuri Yunakov who lives in NJ now. good stuff

Thanks for the analysis...

If that's all you hear growing up it's not so complicated, I suppose.. 

I always say, "Eskimo babies don't know it's cold"...  if that's all they know.

Amazing music.  Very cool.

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This is some of the more interesting music, in the bone-centric world, I've heard in awhile.  Thanks mucho for the continued posts and good stuff.

Quote from: Brisko on Jan 09, 2009, 08:59AMHere's a youtube of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95k8cU5ZLw but more interesting (to me at least) are his takes on the traditional Bulgarian stylings:

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/Kopanitsa.mp3

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/GankinoHoro.mp3

There are some cool sounds on his music page... http://www.kornazov.com/downloads.html

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Digging that Kopanitsa track! If I didn't know better, I woulda thought it was Zappa. Great sound, amazing technique and fluency, and it grooves, even to my 4/4 ears...
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Quote from: Brisko on Jan 09, 2009, 08:59AMHere's a youtube of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95k8cU5ZLw but more interesting (to me at least) are his takes on the traditional Bulgarian stylings:

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/Kopanitsa.mp3

http://www.kornazov.com/mp3/GankinoHoro.mp3

There are some cool sounds on his music page... http://www.kornazov.com/downloads.html

That is some nice stuff!
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Quote from: ctingle on Jan 08, 2009, 10:03PMHere's a young Jiggs Whigham w a Berlin radio big band from 1966 on "Alice in Wonderland".  Wouldn't it be life changing for us here in the US if radio big bands existed in most major cities???!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3MU7K3Zg2I&sdig=1

Enjoy,

Really nice.

A chap in the orchestra is wielding a bass bone with a gigantic bell - it looks a bit like a Reynolds Contempora to my eyes, but is that likely?
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Here's a short solo I just put up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqmSGmc0XJ4

....trying to blow over a 15 piece band and 1000+ people screaming.

Loud = Fun

And a cup mute's point of view of me playing "I Got it Bad":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P8QylGpM54

...and these are being posted with full knowledge of intonation issues.. hahahaha..


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Can anyone identify the trombones in this clip of the Nelson Riddle Orchestra ? I'm guessing it's Jaun Tizol ( not sure if that's how you spell that  Image  ) on valve trombone but am stumped ny the other two.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mSX9hJjRtao


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I agree w you that it looks like Juan Tizol, and I would guess George Roberts and Tommy Shepherd.

Quote from: Bellend on Jan 12, 2009, 02:51AMCan anyone identify the trombones in this clip of the Nelson Riddle Orchestra ? I'm guessing it's Jaun Tizol ( not sure if that's how you spell that  Image  ) on valve trombone but am stumped ny the other two.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mSX9hJjRtao


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New Trombone Collective

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2vnmDA8s0

Yowsers...


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Quote from: Wes Funderburk on Jan 15, 2009, 11:04AMNew Trombone Collective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux2vnmDA8s0
Yowsers...
I'm looking at 8 players but at certain points it sounds like more than that playing. Incredible! Is that a pixie mute in the alto?
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Viento Sur trombone quartet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il_X3aB676w
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICd9jNIvD4

No words can describe this..........its music.......(not my english anyway)


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Quote from: savio on Jan 17, 2009, 03:23PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICd9jNIvD4

No words can describe this..........its music.......(not my english anyway)


Leif

i like the word you chose..."music".

dg
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There was just no words inside me after listen it........no english, no norwegian....if there are seven wonders (don't know the word), music must be the eighth. Its no point to say anything about the musicians, the hole thing was just complete for me.

Leif
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...and speaking of "Norwegian"....

OK folks.  I have a test for you.  Who is the trombone soloist at 59 seconds?

Hint: He's a very prominent poster here on the forum. (this shouldn't take too long to answer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGbN15C3pGE
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Quote from: DaveAshley on Jan 19, 2009, 12:32PM...and speaking of "Norwegian"....

OK folks.  I have a test for you.  Who is the trombone soloist at 59 seconds?

Hint: He's a very prominent poster here on the forum. (this shouldn't take too long to answer)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGbN15C3pGE

Sam Burtis I presume?
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That sure is Sam...Ernie Watts on Alto
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Yep - it's 'Sabutin' himself as a pretty mature-sounding 21 year-old. This was from a Japanese TV broadcast back in 1967.  It is indeed Ernie Watts playing alto and the trumpet player on the left is Chuck Findley.
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Quote from: DaveAshley on Jan 19, 2009, 07:05PMYep - it's 'Sabutin' himself as a pretty mature-sounding 21 year-old. This was from a Japanese TV broadcast back in 1967.  It is indeed Ernie Watts playing alto and the trumpet player on the left is Chuck Findley.

Or...it may be the original broadcast of an Ed Sullivan Show that has been retitled in Japanese. I'm really not sure. That Far Eastern trip was such a rush of experiences...I mean, I had never been east of Buffalo...and I am fuzzy on whether the several concerts that we did there were taped.

Either way...even Buddy sounds good. It's in 6/8 so's he couldn't use all of his stock licks and actually had to swing instead.

The more I look at it the more I think it might be the Sullivan Show, because when we went to Asia the lead player... Jack Spurlock (maybe?)...suddenly decided that he had taken enough of Buddy's guff and pulled out the day before we were supposed to leave. We got a Japanese player to play the 2nd book...I had to teach him the book in 3 languages because his girlfriend spoke French and Japanese and I spoke English and French, so we called her from the hotel room; I'd tell her in French what he needed to know and she'd tell him in Japanese.

Only thing is...my French wasn't that good... Image Image Image

I can't see the guy in the middle, and I am not sure if I stayed on the outside of the section and played the lead book from there so that both myself and the bass trombonist could give the sub cues. Or...it's the Sullivan Show, which I played sight reading with no rehearsal. First gig w/the band. I was too young to know I couldn't do it. Either way...it's nice to hear that vid. I didn't play as badly as I thought I did. Maybe if I'm lucky I still don't.

Thanks, Dave.

Later...

S.

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The JJ sponging process had already begun, eh Sam?  Not bad high chops for a tuba player, too!

Very cool to be able to see this, for many reasons.  I know for my uncle and his generation, this was their intro to jazz since Buddy's band was doing Beatles tunes like this, among other pop tunes that could connect without too much fluff along the way.  Imagine this band or Maynard or Kenton coming into your high school gym and blowing the roof off for a couple of hours - that kind of thing stuck in the brain for a lot of "kids" and led them down the jazz evolutionary path.

Sam, how was the NAMM weekend of shows?  I haven't checked youtube for vids yet, but I'm sure/hopeful there will be plenty.

Cheers,
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Quote from: ctingle on Jan 19, 2009, 08:10PMThe JJ sponging process had already begun, eh Sam?  Not bad high chops for a tuba player, too!
Truth?

My favorite trombonist has always been Sonny Rollins.

And if I hadn't wanted high chops I coulda stayed being a tuba player and having nobody hear my solos.

QuoteSam, how was the NAMM weekend of shows?  I haven't checked youtube for vids yet, but I'm sure/hopeful there will be plenty.

Cheers,

The band was ridiculously good. SO consistent, so strong.

How strong?

A 9AM hit in the cavernous three story glass, stone and plastic lobby of the Disneyland Convention Center, people wandering in with no idea of waht a "Latin" band is. Joe turned the key, the band started up and it was like the second set of the greatest gig you could ever imagine.

Unbelievable. All of these rock and tech heads walking in to go play with their digital dinguses and dropping their jaws.

QuoteWHASSAT!!!???
Of course...the sound guy was the best I have ever encountered as well. He had the sound right after 15 minutes of sound check. Really right.

The whole thing was fun.

Later...

S.



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Looking forward to the vids as they make their way to youtubies!
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Quote from: sabutin on Jan 19, 2009, 09:38PM people wandering in with no idea of waht a "Latin" band is. Joe turned the key, the band started up and it was like the second set of the greatest gig you could ever imagine.

Unbelievable. All of these rock and tech heads walking in to go play with their digital dinguses and dropping their jaws.

Sam,

There were a few of us there that morning who know what a "Latin" band is, and who showed up early specifically to see you guys.  The band was fantastic, that's no lie.  I have a pet peeve about percussion players, as so many bands use guys who think they can play, but shouldn't... These guys could PLAY! I was also fortunate enough to be right in front of Jimmy Bosch when he came up for his solo, what a sound!  Great time all around.

Gary
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Quote from: Tenortbn on Jan 20, 2009, 10:14AMSam,

There were a few of us there that morning who know what a "Latin" band is, and who showed up early specifically to see you guys. 
Oh...I know.

But you were in the distinct minority. As were we all in this mostly non-acoustic, digitized giant of a trade show. That's why I was so amazed at the sound. Those columns were actually computer controlled...they could focus the sound wherever the sound guy wanted it to go, and he knew the room and knew where to aim them. Contrast that with what happened at the Mayan Theater...disastrously loud and distorted...and later that night at the Latin Percussion party/concert/whatever it was in a relatively small room that should been easy to balance. The sound guys didn't have a clue there, either.

 QuoteThe band was fantastic, that's no lie.  I have a pet peeve about percussion players, as so many bands use guys who think they can play, but shouldn't... These guys could PLAY! I was also fortunate enough to be right in front of Jimmy Bosch when he came up for his solo, what a sound!  Great time all around.

Gary
These rhythm section guys are the no bullsh*t real thing. The best of the best of the best for 30+ years, and still in their prime.  All meat and muscle, no fat. Just time. If I had one last request as to what I might want to hear before I left this planet, I would be hard pressed to choose from among a classic Sonny Rollins solo, a classic Bird solo or Johnny Rodriquez's bell playing.

I'm serious. All I need to do is hear a couple of bars of Johnny's time and I am immediately a happy man.

Bet on it.

And Jimmy Bosch?

He's a great drummer who happens to play the trombone really well.

Big fun.

Every note of every gig.

All of it.

Later...

S.
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Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEXIAvnZJXU&feature=related

...are those four Shires?

Scotty

...they also do a very nice Bach T&F in D Minor...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRSA48Njh7o&feature=related
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Not a YouTube Trombonist and contains an expletive (the "s" word, if you will):

Branford Marsalis' take on students today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rz2jRHA9fo

Take it or leave it...  Although taken out of the context of an interview but he kinda nails it.

And for a trombonist:

Harry Watters at the Great American Brass Band Festival, Danville, KY (Dave Ashley shout out) with the Boston Brass All-Stars..first solo on "Caravan" and the second on "The Chicken":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPqx2o8xJRQ

I had 18 year-old Scotch in a plastic cup most of that night..

haha!

Wes Funderburk
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