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Post by ttf_Nelsfoltz » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:44 pm

Thanks for posting the wonderful clip of Glenn! Possibly the most underrated trombone player in my opinion...such absolutely beautiful and expressive playing. His trio records are amazing!
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Post by ttf_griffinben » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:17 am

Speaking of Al Grey, he's taken the favorite solo I've heard on the "I've Got You Under My Skin".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aevwsdho ... re=related

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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:08 am

And, you can see FRANK dug it Image

This was posted in my Elliot Mason Mpc thread but it also deserves a place here......... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_th_2Q ... er&list=UL

Elliot's solo starts at 6:18 But please do yourself a favour and listen to the whole track........  Image Image
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Post by ttf_Bellend » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:02 pm

Thanks for that Benn, never heard that version before.


Just come across this, Enjoy!
 
Delta City Blues - The Bone Supremacy featuring Mark Nightingale and Ian Bateman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh7cWjwz ... re=related


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Post by ttf_artyart » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:42 am

Quote from: mingmonk on Jul 27, 2011, 09:57AMGlenn Ferris

sound, storytelling, music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAraMDlVRg

That was beautiful!
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Post by ttf_Piano man » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:12 am

Quote from: mingmonk on Jul 27, 2011, 09:57AMGlenn Ferris

sound, storytelling, music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAraMDlVRg

Beautiful stuff.

I'm beating my head against the wall trying to remember the name of the standard that's based on. I can sing it but can't remember the damn title.
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Post by ttf_griffinben » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:12 pm

Quote from: Piano man on Jul 31, 2011, 11:12AMBeautiful stuff.

I'm beating my head against the wall trying to remember the name of the standard that's based on. I can sing it but can't remember the damn title.

Alone Together
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Post by ttf_baileyman » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:02 am

Bill Watrous and Luca Begonia in Italy, 2001. 

H&F!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWJ4bCe7OSo


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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:54 pm

Here's a great solo from Italian trombonist Gianluca Petrella.

Some great story telling going on Image ........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWyKzGVGH9Q
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Post by ttf_LX » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:26 pm

Quote from: mingmonk on Jul 27, 2011, 09:57AMGlenn Ferris

sound, storytelling, music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAraMDlVRg

So so nice!! Glenn was one of the first jazz trombonists I ever heard [the first jazz album I ever purchased was Ellis' "Live at Fillmore!!]. He was out in LA a couple years ago and I was honored to get to play alongside him in a bone quintet led by Bruce Fowler [the other bones were Ed Neumeister, Phil Teele and myself]. The gig was in a mostly rock and roll bar in Hollywood [Bruce loves booking the group into unusual venues]. We played a lot of pretty edgy chamber music with lots of sections of free improvisation and Glenn was totally committed and authentic in this setting!

That funny horn he plays is a double trigger .508 bore tenor bone which I believe was made for him by the same guy who makes those whacky horns for Mnozil. He likes to use the triggers less for low notes, and more to take advantage of that horn's valve-bone like qualities as Doug pointed out. It gives him a special nuance to his phrasing and melodic choices. Thanks for posting this!!

LX

LX
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:06 am

Quote from: LX on Aug 03, 2011, 08:26PM
That funny horn he plays is a double trigger .508 bore tenor bone which I believe was made for him by the same guy who makes those whacky horns for Mnozil. He likes to use the triggers less for low notes, and more to take advantage of that horn's valve-bone like qualities as Doug pointed out. It gives him a special nuance to his phrasing and melodic choices. Thanks for posting this!!

LX

LX

Hey Alex,
Glenn's horn is made by Thomas Inderbinen NOT Schagerl and the bore is a dual bore .500/.525 unless he recently changed that's the horn he's played for years!!!!

Best wishes,
Chris.
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Post by ttf_Bonefide » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:51 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixmrWWcF6tg&NR=1

Glenn Ferris playing with Billy Cobham & people.  Definitely authentic and committed.  Interesting contrast, watching this right after the afore-post-ed video with Peter Schärli.

normally i would prefer less notes from soloists. BUT. I was really waiting for Glenn to blow some faster lines near the end of his solo. I'd love to hear other opinions on this very trombone-y solo.

Also, check out how quickly Billy Cobham breaks a stick, throws the rest, and grabs another around 6:21.
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Post by ttf_LX » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:03 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Aug 04, 2011, 02:06AMHey Alex,
Glenn's horn is made by Thomas Inderbinen NOT Schagerl and the bore is a dual bore .500/.525 unless he recently changed that's the horn he's played for years!!!!

Best wishes,
Chris.

I think that's the same one. Thanks for the correction!

LX
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:58 am

Quote from: Bonefide on Aug 04, 2011, 07:51AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixmrWWcF6tg&NR=1

 I'd love to hear other opinions on this very trombone-y solo.



I hate it!!!!
Sorry but he's jacking off here.
A complete opposite to his wonderful story telling nowadays........ I guess he soaked up some French culture over the years Image

However not a good example, and I've certainly played some trash solo's over the years!!!
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Post by ttf_Rundquist » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:39 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Jul 11, 2011, 01:29PM
Check this out at the 10.27 minute mark, a buddy of mine Trevor Mires............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2JCPjbp8B4

Quote from: ctingle on Jul 11, 2011, 02:44PMYep, talented player indeed!  Just not my musical mood at the moment, I guess.  Feels like a lot of 1983 sessions I thought I forgot.  Talented players though....


Quote from: Chris Fidler on Jul 11, 2011, 02:30PMI didn't say it was happening....... Just pointing you towards Mr Trevor Mires!!!
A fantastic trombone player!!!
You may also have heard him on some Incognito (The world famous funk/soul band) recordings.
Terrible (I agree), I don't care how good the players are. Listening to music is not an exercise. Music like this is the reason that people aren’t interested in jazz. A person that was listening to jazz for the first time and didn’t know the difference between good and bad jazz would run the other way. Just irreprehensible.
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Post by ttf_griffinben » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:49 pm

Quote from: Paul Martin on Aug 03, 2011, 09:30PMMore Teagarden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGNcoUq5YYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4yLuCOeYo


Beautiful stuff, and dig those great tempos!  Ballad and medium slow tempos that don;t drag or feel loagy, they just move along gracefully.  The kind of tempo no one seems to be able to play anymore...
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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:56 pm

Quote from: griffinben on Aug 04, 2011, 12:49PMBeautiful stuff, and dig those great tempos!  Ballad and medium slow tempos that don;t drag or feel loagy, they just move along gracefully.  The kind of tempo no one seems to be able to play anymore...

Right on, Brother!

I often have the sense from his recordings that JT got bored easily, I suppose you'd get a tad tired of "Basin Street Blues" too if you were forced to play it nearly every night for 30 years, and that he often seemed to be taking it easy (OK, easy for him...), and playing licks, then I recall that they're his licks (he's not quoting himself, he's being himself), and that he did all this practically non-stop from the 1920s to the 1960s.
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Post by ttf_griffinben » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:10 pm

Its all part of Big T's vocabulary.  Just like J.J. has his...or Fontana, or Rosolino...  It's how they use that vocabulary and what they say with it that's important.  I agree, there are some places that JT seems to be off task(?) in B&S, but it weaves in and out of true inspiration.
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:45 pm

I thought I had head all of the recorded Big 'T' but 'LOVE LIES' is completely new to me. Also I have never heard of 'LaVere's Chicago Loopers'. What a remarkably clean recording for an old 78. Image
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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:06 pm

Quote from: Graham Martin on Aug 04, 2011, 04:45PMI thought I had head all of the recorded Big 'T' but 'LOVE LIES' is completely new to me. Also I have never heard of 'LaVere's Chicago Loopers'. What a remarkably clean recording for an old 78. Image

He has a very late recording of the same tune with a Hammond B3 on his Misery and the Blues album, it has a very, very dreamy quality to it, it's interesting how much the texture of the accompaniment changes the feel of a tune.
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:12 am

Quote from: LX on Aug 03, 2011, 08:26PMSo so nice!! Glenn was one of the first jazz trombonists I ever heard [the first jazz album I ever purchased was Ellis' "Live at Fillmore!!]. He was out in LA a couple years ago and I was honored to get to play alongside him in a bone quintet led by Bruce Fowler [the other bones were Ed Neumeister, Phil Teele and myself]. The gig was in a mostly rock and roll bar in Hollywood [Bruce loves booking the group into unusual venues]. We played a lot of pretty edgy chamber music with lots of sections of free improvisation and Glenn was totally committed and authentic in this setting!

That funny horn he plays is a double trigger .508 bore tenor bone which I believe was made for him by the same guy who makes those whacky horns for Mnozil. He likes to use the triggers less for low notes, and more to take advantage of that horn's valve-bone like qualities as Doug pointed out. It gives him a special nuance to his phrasing and melodic choices. Thanks for posting this!!

LX

LX


There is another topic, by David Gibson, about storytelling as opposed to playing changes, and after having read some of the posts, I've thought Glenn Ferris was a good example of the mix between musical knowledge and musicality.
 
The tune they play is "two and one", written by Vince Benedetti.
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Post by ttf_baileyman » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:47 pm

Here's a big sounding Puerto Rican trombone section with Orquesta Narvaez:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyGWow6CIA0

Big, big, BIG!!



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Post by ttf_DaveAshley » Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:02 am

A creative little parody commercial about a common trombone accessory!:

 Image http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlM_Qv5AWMI
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Post by ttf_baileyman » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:00 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFUUioMkH4

"After You've Gone", what used to be a very rare cut from Dick Gibson's 1969 jazz party, but now since it's on youtube, common as dirt!  Yeah!

This has one of my favorite Carl Fontana solos.  It even includes a terrific stoptime segment.  For those on the "what's wrong with jazz" thread, listen to the rhythms and the three-four-five note melodic cells Carl glibly employed.  These are squarely in the middle lane of the tradition highway and his line is squarely in the middle of the harmony.  No pattern fitting here.  No chord scales.  At least not as I read about in the recent improv texts.  It's more like he's playing along with the melody in his head, which seems to be a dying art. 

The clarinet solo is Bob Wilber, with Ralph Sutton Piano, Bob Haggart bass, and Gus Johnson, Jr. drums.  Trumpet is either Yank Lawson or Billy Butterfield. 
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:15 am

Quote from: baileyman on Aug 10, 2011, 10:00AMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wFUUioMkH4

"After You've Gone", what used to be a very rare cut from Dick Gibson's 1969 jazz party, but now since it's on youtube, common as dirt!  Yeah!

This has one of my favorite Carl Fontana solos.  It even includes a terrific stoptime segment.  For those on the "what's wrong with jazz" thread, listen to the rhythms and the three-four-five note melodic cells Carl glibly employed.  These are squarely in the middle lane of the tradition highway and his line is squarely in the middle of the harmony.  No pattern fitting here.  No chord scales.  At least not as I read about in the recent improv texts.  It's more like he's playing along with the melody in his head, which seems to be a dying art. 

The clarinet solo is Bob Wilber, with Ralph Sutton Piano, Bob Haggart bass, and Gus Johnson, Jr. drums.  Trumpet is either Yank Lawson or Billy Butterfield. 

i agree that this is a great example of Carl's unique approach.  he is a wonderfully SWINGING and MELODIC player.  i also agree that he's playing along with the melody in his head.  but, he is also using scales as source material and patterns as source material.  they're HIS melodies and he employs them to excellent effect.  there are a couple of harmonic glitches to my ears, but they don't diminish an inspired performance. 

i wish more of the Carl clones understood the essence of his musical process as much as they obsess over his technical process. 

thanks for the clip...that felt GOOD.

dg
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:58 pm

I agree, that is an absolutely magnificent clip of Carl playing with a group of Condonites - every one a hero of mine. In case you had not noticed from my previous comments, that is my 'main' kind of music, the type that I am out most weekends trying to recreate. Not quite like Carl, however - Don't I wish!

Carl's style of playing is not all out of place in that company and, if you think about it, that is generally where the trombone playing for 'hot' jazz was going in the 1960s anyway. However, In my neck of the woods in London at that time we could hear notables such as George Chisholm and Roy Williams playing very similar solos in the Condonite setting of the Alex Welsh band. In the case of Roy Williams, he even made the stop chorus a bit of a trademark. Most notable in the US was Bill Allred, with son John probably taking the soloing style a step further in recent years. Hey, Lou McGarity on that Jazz Party clip is no slouch either. Image

I am forced to say that it is not difficult to play great solos in such a exciting musical setting. Thumbs up also to Carl for playing a slightly different style from normal to suit the company.

How I love the build to a final Condon-style last chorus climax with tag. Wow!
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Post by ttf_Paul Martin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:20 pm

Quote from: Graham Martin on Aug 10, 2011, 06:58PMCarl's style of playing is not all out of place in that company and, if you think about it, that is generally where the trombone playing for 'hot' jazz was going in the 1960s anyway. In my neck of the woods in London at that time we could hear notables such as George Chisholm and Roy Williams playing very similar solos in the Condonite setting of the Alex Welsh band.

Some guys could fit their new ideas into older wine skins, Don Goldie on trumpet also struck me that way, sort of a hybrid between Bobby Hackett and Clark Terry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJIqs5sfD0


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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:41 pm

Very true, Paul. But, far from never being a star, you can hear his influence these days in Randy Sandke, Warren Vache, Dan Barrett etc.

Hey, that 'Indiana' clip you put up is almost the same company as with Carl on 'After You've Gone'.

BTW, here is a Roy Williams version of "When You're Smiling" with a stop chorus at 3.08, a bit like Carl's approach. A few little fluffs and slips but typical of a live performance in a European jazz club setting. The main thing is that everyone was enjoying the 'hot' music and the company. I know I keep saying it but this is very much my kind of jazz for playing. As a member of the audience my tastes might sometimes be a bit more in the modern jazz idiom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDmQzka_E00
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:52 pm

Ah heck, when I start listening to Roy Williams, I just can't stop. Very much a case of being what this tune is all about, I guess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eBmyAVEojk
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Post by ttf_LX » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:10 pm

For Grah....Abe Lincoln on trombone [solo starts @ 4:00 or so]. Great to hear masters of this idiom cutting loose. Pianist Billy Maxted driving the bus!! WOW!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL5VoLiBPBg
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:34 pm

Yep, Abe is definitely in the same trombone playing idiom as the others I mentioned. Funnily enough I had never heard of him until somebody mentioned him quite a few years back on this forum. Then I went digging through my recordings to find more. He is of course one of the players on the very famous "Jam Session Coast to Coast" recording by Eddie Condon's band and the Rampart Street Paraders from the West Coast. And he gives Big 'T' a good run for his money on some recordings where they play together.

Wild Bill is my favourite Condon cornet player and I saw him many times in the UK when he toured - often with the Alex Welsh band, with whom Roy Williams played. Alex himself played a trumpet/cornet presented to him by Wild Bill until the day he died.

I even got to play with Wild Bill in the mid 60s at an all-night session organised by Osterley Jazz Club.

There is only one way to end a post like this:

Up a key for the last chorus!

Four-bar drum break!

Four-bar tag! Image
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Post by ttf_Graham Martin » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:05 am

I could not let this little 'hot' segment pass without saying that, although I had several influences when I was first playing in England, there wast none stronger than Cutty Cutshall who was a regular with the Eddie Condon band. I would like to think my Dixieland ensemble lines and solos are as perfect as his:

With old Condon mates on the Wild Bill Davison feature "Blue And Broken Hearted". Peanuts Hucko on clarinet. A lovely trombone solo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3F2DyjuGX4

"Royal Garden Blues" again with Wild Bill. Edmond Hall on clarinet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBSabrxUyWQ

"Singing The Blues" with Billy Butterfield on trumpet and again Ed Hall. A very short tasteful solo but, like I mentioned, listen also to those perfect ensemble lines.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x156nw ... ield_music

Here with Cy Oliver accompanying Louis Armstrong on his classic "A Kill To Build A Dream On". I bet you have heard that recording hundreds of times and did not know it was Cutty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjZQb-kGek

For anyone who does not know Cutty Cutshall, here is his bio. Prior to linking up with Condon he was probably best known for his stints with the Benny Goodman Orchestra.

http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/bio/ ... all/419545

I have dozens of Eddie Condon LPs, Tapes and CDs with Cutty in the trombone chair and I really got a thrill when I saw him live in the UK. 

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Post by ttf_Bellend » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:54 pm

Soory not a You Tube link, but a great one never the less

http://www.abelincolntrombone.com/


The guy was a giant  Image

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Post by ttf_Bob Riddle » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:47 pm

Every time I hear Abe Play I have a good feeling during and long after.What A great "Sound".Teagarden,Trummy Young,Abe,,Bob Havens.All have that infectious good-time feeling when they want it.Great playing!
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Post by ttf_bobilleg74 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:42 am

Here is Conrad Herwig and Mark Nightingale playing together at the Picturedome in Holmfirth, Yorkshire, England, last night (Monday, Aug 21st).

It was a great gig!

The picture isn't great, but the sound is ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KFL049iPj4

While you're there, check out my transcriptions!
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Post by ttf_bds9992 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:02 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PoBW_zbhYc

Andrew Williams. If you don't know, now you do.
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Post by ttf_ctingle » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:50 pm

Andrew is such a sweet player!  I hope more people will check him out...

Quote from: bds9992 on Aug 23, 2011, 12:02PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PoBW_zbhYc

Andrew Williams. If you don't know, now you do.

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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:56 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4wJv1Rh ... ideo_title

here's my friend, Jimmy "the lip" Stretton demonstrating the p-bone. 
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Post by ttf_ntap » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:32 am

Curtis Fuller and Slide Hampton together on "Two Bones."  Pajama Tops is the track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw_M7-T0 ... re=related
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Post by ttf_bds9992 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3PdaAuSPKc

Steve Turre's very first solo recorded with Woody Shaw. 1974.
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Post by ttf_ntap » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:00 am

Here's a great Steve Turre solo with Horace Silver

"I Want You"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VochzYCW04

The Hardbop Grandpop is the record

Horace Silver - piano Claudio Roditi - trumpet, flugelhorn Steve Turre - trombone Michael Brecker - tenor saxophone Ronnie Cuber - baritone saxophone Ron Carter - bass Lewis Nash - drums
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Post by ttf_anonymous » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:34 pm

here's a little snippet of footage from the recent recording.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eVAR6Xn ... e=youtu.be
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:54 am

Very nice performance here at the Baltic Sea Jazz fest.

Nils Landgren solo at 4:40........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw67DUv ... re=related
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Post by ttf_Chris Fidler » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:41 pm

Conrad Herwig & Mark Nightingale play some Jobim........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edH6mwaRUSg
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Post by ttf_SilverSonic » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:35 pm

Andy Martin with the Bill Cunliffe trio. Alone Together

http://youtu.be/_ZfbRGb8Qg8
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Post by ttf_stanzabone » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:16 am

Quote from: Chris Fidler on Sep 12, 2011, 08:54AMVery nice performance here at the Baltic Sea Jazz fest.

Nils Landgren solo at 4:40........... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVw67DUv ... re=related
I'm liking Nils' playing more each time I hear him. Tasty, bluesy, yet a bit unhinged all at the same time. Gorgeous tone.
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