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Turning down a gig

Post by Mikebmiller » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:20 pm

For the first time in forever, I was offered a nice paying gig today. And for the first time probably ever in history, I turned it down. It was a Christmas program at a Baptist quasi mega church. I asked the director what precautions were being taken for covid. He first said something like "we will try to spread everyone out." I pressed him a bit more and learned that they are planning on using a full unmasked choir and that while the congregation would be asked to socially distance, no masks were required. That was a deal breaker for me, so I said no. I kind of find it hard to believe that a church would even plan a program like this, but these are Southern Baptists and probably 95% Trump voters, so I guess I should not be surprised. I hope nobody catches the big C and dies from this gig.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Kingfan » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:34 pm

Sounds like a superspreader event. I support your decision.
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Post by Doug Elliott » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:52 pm

I would have turned it down also. No, hell no.
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Post by Posaunus » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:23 pm

Doug Elliott wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:52 pm
I would have turned it down also. No, hell no.
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Post by Crazy4Tbone86 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:41 pm

Yep, my brass quintet just got the call for a lucrative Christmas Eve Service. Not a Southern Baptist Church, but a large Catholic Church. They claim to have plans for spreading out and reducing numbers. Since this service in Maryland, I imagine that masks will be required.

Since I just found out today, I don't know how the other quintet members will feel about it. It is not as simple as...."the safe thing to do is say NO." This is a church that hires our quintet for multiple Masses every year. If we turn it down as a quintet, they might hire a willing-to-perform group and then we could possibly lose a standing set of gigs (about five per year) that we have maintained for several years. I'm thinking that I might send in a young gun to play for me on this gig (I had heart surgery in late 2019). I'm very anxious to hear what my quintet colleagues are thinking.
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Post by hyperbolica » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:50 am

I recently accepted and played a simple southern baptist gig where the brass players were all about 15' apart, and required to have some sort of bell covering. It was turned down by 2 people who were both much higher risk than I am, and while I'm certainly not immune or impervious, I felt like adequate precautions were taken. Everyone was very conscious of the situation, and no one was dismissive. There was no choir, which to me would have been a more serious situation.

My trombone quartet has taken to meeting once a week outside under an open gazebo, spaced appropriately. We have two high risk people who found this acceptable. This will work while the weather is nice.

Musical events have been my main social outlet for many years, and this sequestration has taken its toll on my emotional state. I think a small amount of risk is acceptable given the damage it might cause to other areas of my life. I don't think I'm dismissive or irresponsible, but there has to be a little balance.
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Post by ssking2b » Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:43 am

Mikebmiller wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:20 pm
but these are Southern Baptists and probably 95% Trump voters
Shame on you for feeling that this was relevant or important to this discussion! You are entitled to your opinions, as are others, but this is not the place for poitical bigotry.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by JerryY » Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:24 pm

My son has a couple of friends now working in Texas as corrections officers. They contracted Covid about six months ago. Both individuals in their 20's have lingering effects. One has ongoing chest pain, tightness and breathing issues and has been hospitalized six times in as many months. He feels he will not be able to maintain the minimal fitness standards to keep his job. The corrections dept will not even entertain line of duty illness even though he doesn't do anything outside of work and they had known cases within the system. This is nothing to mess around with.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Mikebmiller » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:31 pm

ssking2b wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:43 am
Mikebmiller wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:20 pm
but these are Southern Baptists and probably 95% Trump voters
Shame on you for feeling that this was relevant or important to this discussion! You are entitled to your opinions, as are others, but this is not the place for poitical bigotry.
I disagree. This is an "evangelical" church. Evangelicals are one of Trump's biggest support groups.

Trump supporters tend to be less diligent about mask wearing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-t ... blogHeader


That is not bigotry - it is a simple fact. I am not judging anyone here. They are welcome to have their unmasked Christmas service. I just choose not to be part of it.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Kingfan » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:53 pm

I lived in the south for over 20 years. I agree with Mike's assessment as being accurate.
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Post by Elow » Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:04 pm

He’s right in some way. I live in florida, with a republican governor, and guess what, schools open with little to no guidelines. My county, which is mostly republican, voted against a mandatory mask rule. I chose to take everything online but band, and so i go to school for a couple hours and then go home. I have multiple family members at home that are high risk, so i wear a mask. Can you guess who doesn’t wear a mask? The kids who wear trump merch and are constantly arguing with kids about a president they can’t vote for. There’s an obvious correlation between trump supporters and their choice to not wear a mask.
I also agree with ssking, you didn’t really need to add that comment. I’m sure this thread will get locked up because of it
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Post by Doubler » Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:33 pm

Why bring the subject of President Trump and his supporters into a discussion about whether to turn down a gig where the organizers and participants seem careless about health precautions, especially just to take a political cheap shot?
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Driswood » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:07 am

Crazy4Tbone86 wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:41 pm
Yep, my brass quintet just got the call for a lucrative Christmas Eve Service. Not a Southern Baptist Church, but a large Catholic Church. They claim to have plans for spreading out and reducing numbers. Since this service in Maryland, I imagine that masks will be required.

Since I just found out today, I don't know how the other quintet members will feel about it. It is not as simple as...."the safe thing to do is say NO." This is a church that hires our quintet for multiple Masses every year. If we turn it down as a quintet, they might hire a willing-to-perform group and then we could possibly lose a standing set of gigs (about five per year) that we have maintained for several years. I'm thinking that I might send in a young gun to play for me on this gig (I had heart surgery in late 2019). I'm very anxious to hear what my quintet colleagues are thinking.
Brian,

You guys are still playing that gig? Awesome! I remember there were quite a few well paying brass gigs when I was living there.

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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Crazy4Tbone86 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Hey Jerry!

Actually, a different church now. The world of church gigging is very interesting. Sometimes a new music/choir director will enter and regularly-hired brass musicians get shown the door. Usually, another opportunity comes along in good time. I feel extremely fortunate to have had a steady calendar of church gigs for about 30 years here in Maryland. I just try to do a quality job so they keep calling!

For this Christmas Eve, I ended up turning down the job to be safe. We did offer the church some options for smaller numbers of musicians. I'm just hoping we can maintain a relationship as a "quintet" with the church.
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Post by BrianJohnston » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 pm

Knowing how my wallet is doing, i'd probably take that gig regardless and then socially isolate myself in my bed for weeks, if I caught COVID. Good for you for making the better decision.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Mikebmiller » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:14 am

BrianJohnston wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 pm
Knowing how my wallet is doing, i'd probably take that gig regardless and then socially isolate myself in my bed for weeks, if I caught COVID. Good for you for making the better decision.
A couple of other folks from my regular quintet did decide to take it. And there is probably a 99% chance that I would be fine. But I just turned 60 and my mom is 98, so I am not taking any chances.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by Posaunus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:11 pm

BrianJohnston wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 pm
Knowing how my wallet is doing, i'd probably take that gig regardless and then socially isolate myself in my bed for weeks, if I caught COVID.
Unfortunately, Brian, catching and recovering from COVID is not always as simple as staying in bed for a few weeks. We have one friend who died after "catching" it; another who barely escaped (33 days in ICU, 15 days on ventilator in an "induced coma"). She's 52 years old, and still recovering after several months. Aftereffects may yet emerge. This virus is a truly nasty bug, that we don't completely understand, and is not to be fooled with. I know you're young and healthy, and feeling a bit invulnerable. You're not!

Take care. Stay safe. Don't share your air.
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Post by BrianJohnston » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:28 pm

Posaunus wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:11 pm
BrianJohnston wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 pm
Knowing how my wallet is doing, i'd probably take that gig regardless and then socially isolate myself in my bed for weeks, if I caught COVID.
Unfortunately, Brian, catching and recovering from COVID is not always as simple as staying in bed for a few weeks. We have one friend who died after "catching" it; another who barely escaped (33 days in ICU, 15 days on ventilator in an "induced coma"). She's 52 years old, and still recovering after several months. Aftereffects may yet emerge. This virus is a truly nasty bug, that we don't completely understand, and is not to be fooled with. I know you're young and healthy, and feeling a bit invulnerable. You're not!

Take care. Stay safe. Don't share your air.
I definitely don't feel invulnerable to COVID, and I am trying my best not to get it or spread it. I just meant with the shape of the music industry, i'd probably take the gig.
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Re: Turning down a gig

Post by BGuttman » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:51 pm

BrianJohnston wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:28 pm
Posaunus wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:11 pm


Unfortunately, Brian, catching and recovering from COVID is not always as simple as staying in bed for a few weeks. We have one friend who died after "catching" it; another who barely escaped (33 days in ICU, 15 days on ventilator in an "induced coma"). She's 52 years old, and still recovering after several months. Aftereffects may yet emerge. This virus is a truly nasty bug, that we don't completely understand, and is not to be fooled with. I know you're young and healthy, and feeling a bit invulnerable. You're not!

Take care. Stay safe. Don't share your air.
I definitely don't feel invulnerable to COVID, and I am trying my best not to get it or spread it. I just meant with the shape of the music industry, i'd probably take the gig.
I can understand your position. It's the same for all performing arts and hospitality workers. As a senior with pre-existing vulnerabilities I'd probably turn down the gig as well, but if the risks are less (and I suspect they are for you) it might be OK to take the gig.
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Post by Posaunus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:15 pm

BrianJohnston wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:28 pm
I definitely don't feel invulnerable to COVID, and I am trying my best not to get it or spread it. I just meant with the shape of the music industry, i'd probably take the gig.
I feel your pain, Brian. I know many currently-unemployed musicians whose financial situation is ever more precarious. :(

Hang in there and stay safe!
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Post by BrianJohnston » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:16 pm

Thanks guys. Everybody is in the same or similar boat, just glad there's a lot of support going around.

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Post by BGuttman » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm

Even non-professional performing arts groups are having problems. I am president of a community orchestra and we can't perform because we have been banned from our auditorium (wich is part of a school). Even if we could, we couldn't perform before any sizable audience (state rules).

We have a consortium of Boston area community orchestras all of whom are trying to figure out what we can do during the crisis to continue performing and especially to bring in money to keep operations going.

FWIW, I don't get any money for my job...
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Post by hyperbolica » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:57 pm

I have two friends who are 20-30 years older than I am, and I'm taking gigs that they turn down. I don't think I'm being reckless, certainly don't feel invulnerable , and I'm just as terrified of the virus as anyone. But a combination of things lead me to take the jobs. First, I just want to play. Second, my emotional health depends to some extent on being around other people, and music for me is a way to help keep from going crazy. Third, I know music raises the spirits of other people, and if I can help others in that way and do it in a responsible way, I'm gonna do it.

So, we're playing in small groups, taking mask precautions, playing in large ventilated spaces, with no choir, where the audience or congregation is small or well spaced.

I've seen how my friends with multiple vulnerabilities are handling this (essentially like a potential death sentence), and I don't blame anyone for being cautious. If I get to the gig and think the situation feels unsafe or is not being taken seriously, I'll walk out.
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