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Hum... Say's the upload folder is full? I can't post pics?
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Now that's an army I wouldn't mind encountering . . .

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I had the good fortune of being able to purchase both a Williams 6 and a Williams Wallace model 1 in the same week, a while back. Our resident forum Williams guru has been very helpful in answering my questions and offering sage advice.  I mentioned that I had purchased them more as collectibles and John said "Why have them if you're not going to play them?"  The more I think about it...he's right.  I'm definitely keeping (and playing) the 6, but I'd be willing to let the Williams Wallace model 1 go for the right price to someone who really, really wants it. I'll try and get pics together and put it up in the classified area tomorrow. It has fantastic engraving all around the bell and up the entire length of the bell section. It's a beauty. I was told that it was probably special ordered that way...no way for me to know. It will need new inner slides, but I'll tell all in tomorrow's classified post. I bought it from forum member Drew, so maybe he can chime in after I post it with any knowledge he may also have.
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SERIOUS  BUYER looking for a W/W  522   
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 thesheriff  got one      older w  unplated inners  --they suck !!!!!!!!
    so he is having  a  new slide  built up w 2103 tubes
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Quote from: dj kennedy on Oct 16, 2014, 11:37PMSERIOUS  BUYER looking for a W/W  522   
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 thesheriff  got one      older w  unplated inners  --they suck !!!!!!!!
    so he is having  a  new slide  built up w 2103 tubes

TIS or in bell?
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Mike send me some pictures via email. I have a model 1 somewhere. Anyway send the info to me [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
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Quote from: dj kennedy on Oct 16, 2014, 11:37PMSERIOUS  BUYER looking for a W/W  522   
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 thesheriff  got one      older w  unplated inners  --they suck !!!!!!!!
    so he is having  a  new slide  built up w 2103 tubes

Deej, it's not that they suck, the original slide is very playable. I'm just picky picky picky! The new slide should be ready in a week or so. I was just at Dana's mapping out the whole thing with all of the parts. Since I'm keeping it as a friction fit slide allowing for use of the old and new slides, Dana had fellow repairman and machinist extraordinaire, Ron Pinc, make the male tenon and a few other beautifully executed custom bits.

It'll be a tad larger at .525 than the original .522 bore, but at least I have an original model 8 slide crook, and the 3B+ outers are a weighty nickel just like the original. Sure it'll play different, but with the possibility of me liking it even better than the original. The bell though, wow, what a sound board it is!  Gettin' close.
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it is rumored  that  a  burbank 6 and 8  have appeared on radar
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a  490   arrowheaad  and some kind of  520   are on the market  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 i have  photographs    of the arrowhead   from one of the owners--dick drewitz 
 
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a  burbank 6 has surfaced 
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Hello all! Recently purchased an L.A. Williams and I'm loving it! Serial number on the bell receiver is 683 with an M just above it. It has the arrow head counterweight and is in beautiful shape. I understand from the seller that Dick Drewitz and another player from Europe are previous owners; anyone happen to know anything else about it? Will share pictures shortly.
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Holy Moly! It looks almost brand new!! Wow! What a specimen, I bet you had to pony up a pretty penny for that bad boy. Nice horn!
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i  brokered  this  from dick drewitz  many  years ago 
dick sold it because he got a  new one  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote from: johnlloyd on Jan 15, 2015, 02:42PMSerial number on the bell receiver is 683 with an M just above it. anyone happen to know anything else about it?
I have one almost identical (serial number 650), with the M, but it is tuning in slide (yours looks like tuning in bell).
Letters (M) stands for the bore size. Some say .490 bore, others say .491 (like a king 2B) - I go with .491 bore. It's a "pre"-model 4, sort of - before Earl started using the model number designators.

Mine plays very BIG for a .491 bore, with a nice fat and full sound. Congrats of such a VERY nice horn !

Troy
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Quote from: tsmart on Jan 16, 2015, 04:48AMI have one almost identical (serial number 650), with the M, but it is tuning in slide (yours looks like tuning ion bell).
Letters (M) stands for the bore size. Some say .490 bore, others say .491 (like a king 2B) - I go with .491 bore. It's a "pre"-model 4, sort of - before Earl started using the model number designators.

Mine plays very BIG for a .491 bore, with a nice fat and full sound. Congrats of such a VERY nice horn !

Troy

Very cool Troy! Thanks for the info. Any idea what year our horns were made?
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there  might be a registry  SOMEDAY --and  a  spec //history  packet  could  go with each horn
  much like bentley//rolls royce  --keep track of their cars 
cant remember who dick got it from --but i have photo prints he sent 
  and letter although  most   was  telephone  chatted
please post pics on the w/w thread on fb



Quote from: johnlloyd on Jan 16, 2015, 08:28AMVery cool Troy! Thanks for the info. Any idea what year our horns were made?

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Quote from: johnlloyd on Jan 16, 2015, 08:28AMVery cool Troy! Thanks for the info. Any idea what year our horns were made?

Post 1938/pre 1941?
If it says Williams on the bell, it was after Earl & Spike Wallace dissolved their partnership (around 1938).
Since it doesn't have a number model, it's probably pre WWII (Earl worked for the government during WWII).

No definite on the year, but probably right in the 1938-1940 time frame - I would think..
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a  burbank  8  is about to find a new home  @ 4k
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a  prewar   w/w  in sil plate  /gold wash inner bell
  with new  491   inners/outers      retaining the org lleadpipe
 slide  built bu john sandhagen  then  silver plated  by kanstul   
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this  fabulous  trombone  is returning to  la  soon
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 also  the sacramento state stamped by earl model 8  is still in limbo  as  prospective buyer 
 would please make up his mind  @  4k with marsteller provenance
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 sale of a prewar  520   has  been  pending  also 
 
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SOLD  -------  2 WILLIAMS  IN ONE DAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this very special  model was commissioned  by  sacramento state college  thru auspices of robert marsteller
  supposed one of  3    made  at the same time --it comes complete with  a slide box having the original
shipping lable 
 ----------------  the bell brace  has  stamping for sac  state   stamped on by earl !!!!!!!!!!!-------
    is being sold to finance  a bass bone  -and has been in inventory for years  basically untouched
     i believe it is among the finest  model  8s  ever  built
and a big congratulations  and welcome to the newest member of the williams club [soon]
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meanwhile  --i feel that the  photos  dick drewutz  sent me to help  sell his   490 arrowhead
  should  be  kept with  it   --as this forms  part of the provenance 
  i was slightly[totally]  miffed  when bjorn samuelson  flipped  it  like a pancake 
     and called him  a fish eater 




Quote from: dj kennedy on Jan 20, 2015, 02:11AMa  burbank  8  is about to find a new home  @ 4k
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Post by ttf_Alex McMahon »

Why can't I live in Seattle?!

LA Model 6 in Seattle:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/4871761800.html

Chum in the water!
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no problem getting it picked up
 


Quote from: Alex McMahon on Jan 31, 2015, 04:20PMWhy can't I live in Seattle?!

LA Model 6 in Seattle:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/msg/4871761800.html

Chum in the water!

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bell tuning //arrowhead// slip  joint // 490 bore   
 got inquiry  about adoption  this am
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 details to follow 
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on radar //////
TENNESSEE  WILLIAMS 6
 provenance  --well known ---
   clue = movie title  starring  eddie  murphy 
     as  a  bow  tie  wearing character
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no price  on it  yet
   JOHN  ====ANY  COMMENT  ???????????????????????????????????


Quote from: dj kennedy on Feb 10, 2015, 12:16PMon radar //////
TENNESSEE  WILLIAMS 6
 provenance  --well known ---
   clue = movie title  starring  eddie  murphy 
     as  a  bow  tie  wearing character

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I received my Williams 8 today.

Shout out to DJ Kennedy and Daniel Truitt for making it happen. muchos gracias  Image

I'll post more details and photos soon-ish

I'm a happy dude today  Image

-Samuel
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 ImageQuote from: jalapeno on Feb 18, 2015, 12:16AMI received my Williams 8 today.

Shout out to DJ Kennedy and Daniel Truitt for making it happen. muchos gracias  Image

I'll post more details and photos soon-ish

I'm a happy dude today  Image

-Samuel

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Can someone recommend a mp to go with the Williams 8 ?  Image

and/or what do you use ?

I used a Bach 6.5 AL, monette TS6S, and Wick 4 last night. The bach and monette are too small for a full "symphonic" sound, and the Wick felt hollow and flabby in tone and lip-feel.

I asked Mr. Elliot and he'll follow-up with me soon, but still I wanna know what you guys use.

also, my jo-ral cup mute doesn't fit (too small). I guess I have to buy a bass cup mute (and other mutes)?  Image Image  Image

my jo-ral straight fits

any advice/stories is appreciated  Image
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Post by ttf_Alex McMahon »

I've got a Schilke 53 that came with my 9. I've played around with it, as well as as a DE108 with small shank. My go to mouthpiece on anything small bore seems to be a Bach 9, and I always find myself going back to it as it feels and sounds 'right' for my face.
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Quote from: jalapeno on Feb 18, 2015, 02:52PMCan someone recommend a mp to go with the Williams 8 ?  Image

and/or what do you use ?

I used a Bach 6.5 AL, monette TS6S, and Wick 4 last night. The bach and monette are too small for a full "symphonic" sound, and the Wick felt hollow and flabby in tone and lip-feel.

I asked Mr. Elliot and he'll follow-up with me soon, but still I wanna know what you guys use.

also, my jo-ral cup mute doesn't fit (too small). I guess I have to buy a bass cup mute (and other mutes)?  Image Image  Image

my jo-ral straight fits

any advice/stories is appreciated  Image

Bach no-letter cup seems to work.  4,5,7, 9, etc.  Might need to open the throat.
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recork  your  mute   
  laminate[glue]  several layers      of sheet  cork
   or  use  thin japan  saw to   cut wine cork  --really good !!!!!!!!!
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  prolly  a  4ish rim -- doug will advise shank back bore
   deepish v   cup
  maybe  not to big  venturi    for some crispness 



Quote from: jalapeno on Feb 18, 2015, 02:52PMCan someone recommend a mp to go with the Williams 8 ?  Image

and/or what do you use ?

I used a Bach 6.5 AL, monette TS6S, and Wick 4 last night. The bach and monette are too small for a full "symphonic" sound, and the Wick felt hollow and flabby in tone and lip-feel.

I asked Mr. Elliot and he'll follow-up with me soon, but still I wanna know what you guys use.

also, my jo-ral cup mute doesn't fit (too small). I guess I have to buy a bass cup mute (and other mutes)?  Image Image  Image

my jo-ral straight fits

any advice/stories is appreciated  Image

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Quote from: dj kennedy on Feb 18, 2015, 05:20PMrecork  your  mute  
  laminate[glue]  several layers      of sheet  cork
   or  use  thin japan  saw to   cut wine cork  --really good !!!!!!!!!
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  prolly  a  4ish rim -- doug will advise shank back bore
   deepish v   cup
  maybe  not to big  venturi    for some crispness 

I'll try the extra cork idea. thanks !
I'll try an Elliot mp. thanks !
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Quote from: jalapeno on Feb 18, 2015, 02:52PMCan someone recommend a mp to go with the Williams 8 ?  Image

and/or what do you use ?

I used a Bach 6.5 AL, monette TS6S, and Wick 4 last night. The bach and monette are too small for a full "symphonic" sound, and the Wick felt hollow and flabby in tone and lip-feel.

I asked Mr. Elliot and he'll follow-up with me soon, but still I wanna know what you guys use.

also, my jo-ral cup mute doesn't fit (too small). I guess I have to buy a bass cup mute (and other mutes)?  Image Image  Image

my jo-ral straight fits

any advice/stories is appreciated  Image


A Hammond 12 ML or 13 ML will give you a full symphonic sound. I use the 12ML in my .522-.525 bore horns for that full symph sound.
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Quote from: The Sheriff on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52AM
A Hammond 12 ML or 13 ML will give you a full symphonic sound. I use the 12ML in my .522-.525 bore horns for that full symph sound.

I understand ! I used a 12 ML for my Edwards....I'll try an Elliot first, though. A pimp horn deserves a pimp mouthpiece  Image

Here's pics of the Williams 8. It looks better in person. knowatimsayin ?

the case is cool, and fits everything perfect. The slide is great.

Story goes, it was ordered by Robert Marstaller (1 of 3 model 8's ordered) and then maybe owned by Norman Hunt who became a teacher and head of music at Sacramento State. "Cool story, brah"   Image

http://s1371.photobucket.com/user/jalapeno82/library/?sort=3&page=0
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Beautiful horn! I hope you enjoy the heck out of it.
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There will be a Williams Arrowhead with in-slide tuning coming up for sale sometime next week.

Just a heads up for those who may be interested.

Don't have a sale price yet but it will be fair market value.

Thanks,

Basie
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Which Denis Wick profile did you try? Also which DW 4?  There are many variations.
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Post by ttf_Molefsky »

Was just watching the new hbo documentary "going clear" and spotted what appeared to be a Williams model 10(?) In a pic behind L. Ron Hubbard at about 45min in. Just in case anyone is interested ha!
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I saw THAT TOO! Made my GF stop the documentary on HBO GO...I'd have to take a second look, because I thought it was a 9 with the pigtail wrap...but its definitely a Williams being played by a Scientologist on that boat with L Ron Hubbard...SO L.A.
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Post by ttf_Molefsky »

Ha, if you say 9 then it's probably a 9. I'm no williams aficionado...!
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Post by ttf_Exzaclee »

new tubes, new leadpipe, patch on slide... for 3200 I'd want a horn that's a bit more original.  it probably still plays well.
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Quote from: Exzaclee on May 21, 2015, 06:57AMnew tubes, new leadpipe, patch on slide... for 3200 I'd want a horn that's a bit more original.  it probably still plays well.

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Post by ttf_DaveAshley »

Earl had already died by the time that horn was built. Thats what I call a "Bob Williams" - The clearest signs of this are the 3000's serial number, the rounded slide crook and the stamp on the handgrip.
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Post by ttf_Doug Elliott »

That horn is pretty worn out.

One of my 6's is also a "Bob" with just a slightly later serial number than that one, an unstamped handgrip and a round nickel crook.  I like it just as much or maybe even better than my older 6.   

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