Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

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Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Freshdax » Mon May 18, 2020 5:51 pm

Hey guys,

Non-Trombonist back in the house :hi:

To cut a long question short:

Is it possible to play consecutively sus chords with fluttertounge on trombones? I am wondering especially as my plan is to use flutter sus chords in a score I want to record with a live orchestra.

To better explain what I want to do, here's an example featuring three trombones:

https://www.mboxdrive.com/Sus%20Flutter ... xample.mp3

Thanks!
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by mbarbier » Mon May 18, 2020 5:59 pm

that's totally doable.

some players struggle with flutter in the more extreme registers, so maybe don't go crazy low. players may or may not need to breathe depending on phrase length/register but the section can stagger that to make a continuous sound.
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Freshdax » Mon May 18, 2020 6:44 pm

Oh I am very glad to hear it's easily possible! Extra question would be if it's as easy on trumpets or horns? But I am aware that I am in a trombone forum.

I also wonder if you guys could name of any works where several trombone flutter chords in a series appear? I already seeked out on my printed score collection, but most flutter I've found was maybe just for one bar, or several bars, but the same tone(s) held...

Thanks!!
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Burgerbob » Mon May 18, 2020 6:48 pm

It's not often used in that regard, since it obfuscates the pitch enough that a "chord" is mostly lost. I'd like to hear it, though.
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by mbarbier » Mon May 18, 2020 7:19 pm

Freshdax wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:44 pm
Oh I am very glad to hear it's easily possible! Extra question would be if it's as easy on trumpets or horns? But I am aware that I am in a trombone forum.

it should be the same. it's the same physical action regardless of horn. as long as a person can roll an "R" they can do it.
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Gary » Mon May 18, 2020 7:43 pm

Just to be clear, you are talking about a group of trombonists playing single notes, each, versus one trombone playing multiphonics, right?
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Freshdax » Mon May 18, 2020 9:14 pm

Yes! Just a few simple three notes chords with three or four trombones playing, but with flutter. Check the mp3 above. :) ...I am actually bringing this up as an orchestrator told me such chordal formations are uncommon for flutter, and when they occur then mostly in horns. While as in my studies it rather looks that the flutter is (beside the flute) mostly used on trombones, and maybe a bit less equally on trumpets and horns. Seldom - if at all - on tuba (?).

BTW, another question I've got; what actually is the difference from flutters to growls? I've heard it's the same, while as some scores I've read clearly indicated that it's not actually the same, but more as of a mixture; using flutter and a mute (plunger?), is this true?

Thanks!
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by mbarbier » Mon May 18, 2020 11:59 pm

growl normally involves the voice, but there's also a sort of growl thing you can do to imitate a flutter if you can't roll your "r".

flutter works great on tuba! but more so in the middle of the horn...funny things happen (that sound pretty cool with practice) when the frequency is low and is fluttered.
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by harrisonreed » Tue May 19, 2020 3:30 am

Stacked triads of root notes with the 5ths as multiphonics
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Re: Consecutive Chords with Flutter - Playable?

Post by Gary » Tue May 19, 2020 11:02 am

I don't see a problem. To me, it's not a matter of possibility as a matter of context, i.e. how it's used.

Ref. growl and flutter tongue, some people can make both sound the same, some can't. In that case you have to decide what sound you are seeking and use that technique.
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