Multitrack Recording

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Multitrack Recording

Post by shider » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:35 am

Hi there,

i wanted to ask if you are doing some multitracks recordings of yourself and if so, how your process looks like..

I've dabbled in it before, doing some recordings on my phone with an app, which syncs up the different video tracks and offers the option to play a clicktrack over headphones, but the result is at most mediocre (largely due to my own playing, but also because the app has its limits) and i would like to know if there are alternatives which are easy to set up and could be used to practice (i view this kind of recording mostly as practice on intonation, playing in time and to keep oneself motivated)

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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by imsevimse » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:38 am

I have done some multitrack recordings most with a portable 8 track studio. Biggest problem is intonation and time.

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Process has been different.
Tried playing parts in order 1, 2, 3, 4 or in the reversed order or 1,2,3,4 and finally a new recording of 1.
Intonation is the problem when you do this, and to have all parts play together since I don't use a click track.

I guess a click track helps. I have not jet tried to record with a four part piano accompaniment as a support. I think the harmony could help intonation when doing the first parts and in the end it could be removed. That might be something to try out.

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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by timothy42b » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:29 am

I've done some, though not in a while.

I used Audacity on a laptop, an H2 connected for the microphone, and an Audacity generated clicktrack on an earbud in one ear.

I should really try again, I've improved my playing since last time.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by Finetales » Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:06 am

Audacity is the easiest way. It's really easy to do.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by cozzagiorgi » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:45 am

I do it in Audacity also.

The real question is what mics you use and how you place your mics. I think this can make or break a recording.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by BflatBass » Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:22 pm

I know this is an old thread but I just happened to notice it so I thought I'd add something.

I've been doing multitrack recording at home for a few years now. I use a Tascam DP-006. It's a really handy unit with 4 separate built in tracks as well as a click track. When used with an external mic (I use a Shure SM-57) the sound quality is really good. It has two built in condenser mics for mobile use but the sound quality isn't very good.
You can overdub easily and if you bounce tracks you really can record an unlimited number of tracks. It has a few editing features as well as the built in pan and level adjustments per track. You do have to jump through a couple of hoops to export your recordings to a computer though. Not a big deal.
I use my DP-006 recordings for my video collages that I'm teaching myself how to make. Video with my phone, audio with the Tascam.
You can usually find them new for less than $150 on ebay or Amazon.

Multitrack is great for ear training but I do it mostly to hear my arrangements as I've been playing around with trombone quartet versions of old jazz standards. It's really invaluable for that.

https://tascam.com/us/product/dp-006/top

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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by harrisonreed » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:33 pm

Laptop, focusrite input, large condenser mic, FL Studio, altiverb, and some open back headphones.

One thing that always bugs me are the videos on YouTube of relatively famous multitrackers who are obviously just lipsynching to their audio track.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by BflatBass » Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:01 pm

harrisonreed wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:33 pm
Laptop, focusrite input, large condenser mic, FL Studio, altiverb, and some open back headphones.
Do you overdub on FL Studio? I can't figure out how to do it. I can record and mix but I can't record and listen at the same time.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by harrisonreed » Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:44 pm

BflatBass wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:01 pm
harrisonreed wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:33 pm
Laptop, focusrite input, large condenser mic, FL Studio, altiverb, and some open back headphones.
Do you overdub on FL Studio? I can't figure out how to do it. I can record and mix but I can't record and listen at the same time.
Yep, that's the number 1 thing any DAW is used for. The trick with FL studio is that each WAV file is set to a channel, and that channel needs to be routed to a mixer track. Then you can apply plugins to that track, and route everything to the master mixer track. Everything plays when you record again.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by shider » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:38 am

Since my old thread seems to have risen from the dead i will add something as well:

When i posted this I used an android app called "Acapella". The app itself works fairly well, but it leaves you no control of how to sync up your tracks. Also you are limited to a the phones microphone.. The convenient thing is you get a video collage on top with very little effort!
But again: it's very limiting and after playing around with that app i upgraded a little bit:

I got a USB audio interface, a large condenser mic with a stand, studio headphones (fairly cheap AKG), connected all that to my laptop and started playing around with the DAW Reaper.
After getting this setup to run i had a mobile recording setup i could take with me and i did a few recordings of myself.
The first results were very promising! Now the limiting factor was not the hard-/software, but me :biggrin: and that's something I can work on.
Haven't done much recently though because other projects have been more important, but once that settles down I want to dive further down this rabbithole :good:

PS: because Audacity has been mentioned a lot: i have used that aswell, but for me Reaper was the next step.. It's a lot more complex if you want it to be and a full DAW, so you can use it for whatever audio project you want! I believe you can even import video files and show them in playback
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by SimmonsTrombone » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:32 am

Cakewalk by Bandlab - formerly Cakewalk Sonar - is now free. It does everything a DAW can do.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by harrisonreed » Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:36 am

Wow!? They are just giving stuff away now. Really good stuff. And they wonder why no one makes money in art any more...
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by BflatBass » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:35 pm

harrisonreed wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:44 pm
Yep, that's the number 1 thing any DAW is used for. The trick with FL studio is that each WAV file is set to a channel, and that channel needs to be routed to a mixer track. Then you can apply plugins to that track, and route everything to the master mixer track. Everything plays when you record again.
I'll try it again but as I remember FL was doing some things that I didn't want to happen and I couldn't figure out how to make it stop. It had to do with assigning tracks in the mixer. I used one of the FL Studio audio recording tutorials as a starting point but after trying it out FL kept doing things I didn't want it to do.
If I can get FL figured out it'll probably save me time because of it's editing power. I wouldn't use it for effects or the use of plugins.

Cheers,
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by harrisonreed » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:52 pm

BflatBass wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:35 pm
harrisonreed wrote:
Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:44 pm
Yep, that's the number 1 thing any DAW is used for. The trick with FL studio is that each WAV file is set to a channel, and that channel needs to be routed to a mixer track. Then you can apply plugins to that track, and route everything to the master mixer track. Everything plays when you record again.
I'll try it again but as I remember FL was doing some things that I didn't want to happen and I couldn't figure out how to make it stop. It had to do with assigning tracks in the mixer. I used one of the FL Studio audio recording tutorials as a starting point but after trying it out FL kept doing things I didn't want it to do.
If I can get FL figured out it'll probably save me time because of it's editing power. I wouldn't use it for effects or the use of plugins.

Cheers,
Robert
At this point I just use templates that I set up, but I think it goes like this:

1. You have to arm tracks to record into the playlist. Disconnect these tracks from the master track. All these armed mixer track do is record audio and dump it into the playlist as a wav file. The wav files appear as channels in the channel rack, and you can assign those channels to one or multiple other mixer tracks.

2. The newly recorded wav files and their associated mixer tracks should be tied to the master output by default, but make sure.

3. Now if you arm tracks to record, everything in the playlist should also play back into the master track, but only the armed audio mixer track will actually record new audio.

I think FL studio is different in that each row in the playlist is not associated with any particular track in the mixer. The channels are, but the playlist can be as messy as you want it to be.
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Re: Multitrack Recording

Post by bkessler » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:05 pm

I do a lot of this for various projects (mostly in ProTools), and here's a tip that I find helps immensely: use different setups for the different tracks. When we hear ensembles in real life, it's never all the same person playing the same horn/mouthpiece from the same position. You're just you, so that's a variable you can't change, but there are lots of variables that you can:

1) Use a different horn for each track if you have them available. (Or mouthpiece, if you're comfortable on more than one and they give you slightly different desirable tones...or swap components to other bells, etc.)

2) Make sure to pan the tracks to different positions. This often matters way more than levels, etc. for hearing the parts well.

3) If you have them available, use different mics for different tracks.

4) Slightly change the EQ from track to track.

5) If you have a bussing structure in your DAW, you can use sends to move some of the tracks forward (less reverb) or backward (more reverb) a little in space.

Of course, the main part of my process looks like this: Record a track, listen to it, be unhappy, record it again, record the next track, decide I'm unhappy with both tracks, record them both again, stop recording and go practice, etc.
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