King 2b Identify

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King 2b Identify

Post by hettbone » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:30 pm

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help identify this trombone. I’m asking for a friend and he doesn’t really know much about it and I’m not an equipment buff myself. I’m mostly curious about the year. It’s probably a 2b but I know there are many versions.

The horn is 2b-like although I can’t comfirm the bore size. Seems dual bore. It has yellow laqer, nickel slide (wth yellow brass crook) and has no special engraving on the bell other than the king logo so it seems kind of bootlegged to me. Maybe they don't all have engraving on the bell, I don't know.

Serial number is 10146 and I looked up the serial numbers for king but it doesn’t add up to me. According to this website: http://www.hnwhite.com/Serial%20Numbers.htm it would date it really early in the 20th century and that’s obviously way off. The horn doesn’t really look that old. Laqer is still pretty yellow.

Another side note is it plays really sharp like one of those Jiggs Whigham trombones with the shortened tuning slides. I doubt it’s one of those though. My guess is that it’s from the 70s-80s but I don’t trust myself on this.

Any help would be appreciated. Let me know if there’s anything else I could add or do that will help. Thanks.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by BGuttman » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:38 pm

If it is indeed from around the period you mention, the engraving on the bell should be "King" and "2102.

King hit 999999 some time in the mid 1980s but I thought they started back with 100000.

Note that hnwhite covers King trombones up to 1965 when it was sold to Seeburg. It's great for very old horns but not so good for newer ones.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by Kingfan » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:31 pm

What Brucew said. Take another look at the bell and look for "2102" or some other identifier.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by hettbone » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:52 pm

Thanks for the replies. I took another look at the bell and it only says “King”. No numbering on the bell that I can see unless I’m missing something.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by doctortrombone » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:40 am

You can check the bore with a mouthpiece. If it goes further into the lower inner leg than the upper inner leg, it's dual bore. I'm not positive about this, but I'm pretty sure there were 606 student models made with nickel outers and curved bell braces. Could be one of those.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by Kingfan » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:57 am

Interesting. Looks like the logo engraving on my 2B but I have the model number and other engraving. The Tempo step-up horn had curved braces from the factory. Like doctortrombone said, a check of the inner slide tubes can determine if it is dual bore. Does your friend have an original King case? Tempos usually came with different cases than 2Bs.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by BGuttman » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:18 am

Let's also not rule out a counterfeit. There is something not right for this to be the age claimed

The only kings I'm aware of with 5 digit serials predate the 2B by a decade.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by hettbone » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:41 pm

Sorry for my spotty responses. I’ve been real busy lately. Anyway, I tried testing the slide’s bore size with the mouthpiece and it seems like it’s a dual bore. The trombone did come with (what seems like) an original case as well as an old warranty slip and instruction manual. I’ll post pictures. Thanks for the info so far.
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by Vegastokc » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 am

Wow, this is odd. It's got to be a 2B or Tempo right? :idk:
Think the Jiggs model guess might be close too.

Hettbone, anything on the slide near the lead pipe? Some of the 600's models had a stamp there.
Nice modern coffin case too.
Either way, looks like a decent jazz horn.
Of course, like Kingfan, I may be a little biased towards Kings...
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Re: King 2b Identify

Post by mrdeacon » Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:02 pm

http://www.horn-u-copia.net/show.php?se ... %22King%22

If you look at the engraving images on hornucopia you can see that your "King" logo matches that of the 70s "rope" era engraving. Sure looks similar to the engraving on the late 70s King 3B I had.
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