Which Bach model is this?

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Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:59 am

Anyone knows which Bach trombone model is this?

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1d5onkbpa/
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by BGuttman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:02 am

Do you have any more information? Bore size? Bell diameter? There are an awful lot of models that look like that.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by imsevimse » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:14 am

The bell looks rather big. It looks like a 8.5" which indicate it is a large bore Bach 42 but who knows for sure. We need more information. It is easier to say what it is not.

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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Burgerbob » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:15 am

I believe that may be a trombone.

Don't quote me on that.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by greenbean » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:25 am

I agree that the bell looks like it is 8.5". So, probably a 42?

Perhaps the only way to know for sure is to buy it!
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by baileyman » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:07 pm

Large looking piece receiver, short looking nick pipe, seems 42.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:44 am

Hello,
I will measure the bell.
From the pictures I thought that is Stradivarius 42. But on the bell is not Stradivarius engraving. Just "Bach" like on Bundy models. But from other details looks not like Bundy model. so, I am a confused... :(
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:56 am

I can measure the bell... From the pictures, I thought that is Stradivarius Model 42, but on the bell is engraved just "Bach" logo. So, I am confused. But I am not an expert. From other details looks that this is not Bundy model.
How to measure the bore size?

Thanks for all answers!
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:02 am

Yes, from the pictures I thought that is Stradivarius 42 model. But on the bell is engraved just "Bach" logo. From other details looks not like Bundy models. So I am confused.I will measure the bell diameter. How to measure the bore size?
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Matt K » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:57 am

Could you post an image of the logo? Is there anything engraved on the cork barrel or the slide receiver?
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by imsevimse » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:06 am

I've heard of new cheap fake Bach instruments too. The logo on the instrument should say stradivarius.

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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Matt K » Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:32 am

I had a 'soloist' that just had "Bach" engraved on the bell. It's possible you have a 42 body with a Soloist bell too.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:40 am

The bell is 20,5 cm, this is around 8,1 inch.
Here are some more pictures:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/1d5onkbpa/

I think is not fake.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Matt K » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:07 am

Are there any engravings on the cork barrels or the slide receiver?
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Kbiggs » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:52 am

It could be one of the old Mercedes models, an intermediate grade horn.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by greenbean » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:13 pm

I think the bottom line is that if it isn't engraved "Vincent Bach" in the usual script, it isn't a Stradivarius or a Mercedes. The only Bachs with "Bach" engraved on the bell that I know of are more modern and intermediate horns.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by imsevimse » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:24 pm

It does not look like a Stradivarus Bach. I guess it is a cheeper model. A lot of the plating is lost. I have a strad Bach 42 from the 80-ies. No plating loss what so ever. This could be a Chinese variant. An 8" bell indicates it is not a 42, could be a 6h.

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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by BGuttman » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:55 pm

With an 8" bell, that engraving, and the relatively wide grip I'd guess a Bach TB-200.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:24 am

Matt K - at saturday I will have the instrument in my hands and I will look for engravings.
Kbiggs - from the pictures that I saw on Mercedes moders there is always "Mercedes" engraving on the bell.
greenbeam - yes is possible that is intermediate horn. But I can not discover which one.
imsevimse - I can not finds any picture of Bach 6h model...
BGuttman - yes TB-200 looks close. But there is ring on the slide of tb200 model. Also, on this instrument there are some nickel parts that are not usual for tb200 model. Nickel slide-receiver is more usual for Stradivarius model. I didn't see other models with nicke.-silver slide receiver. But I am maybe wrong because I am not expert...
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by imsevimse » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:05 am

jazzavac0 wrote:
Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:24 am
imsevimse - I can not finds any picture of Bach 6h model...
Me bad 😗 , it's because they are none existent. There was something called Bach 6 but with a smaller bell compared to that. A 8" bell could be a Bach 12 but I think Bruce has got it right in his guesses. It is probably a cheap student Bach.

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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:07 am

Yes Tom. Is probably student model...
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Matt K » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:22 am

Ah I see, yeah let us know. I think my suspicion that this is a 'frakenhorn' still seems to have the most predictive power. I bet soemone trashed the bell and put another bell on it. But I could be wrong about that. If you see something like '42' on the body, then I think there's about a 99% chance that that's what happened.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:25 am

Matt K, I think that you theory is not good :)
Just because there are two instruments like this.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by Matt K » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:09 pm

Are there though? It seems to me that the particular engraving on the bell doesn't match the other features of other models. It's very possible I'm missing something though.
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by jazzavac0 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:29 pm

Only engraving on the trombone are Bach logo on the bell and serial number #91594
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Re: Which Bach model is this?

Post by LarryPrestonRoberson » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:09 am

Also, the tuning slide receivers appear to be yellow brass and not nickel. And they lack the edge rings—can't recall what you call them.
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