Olds Recording R20

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Olds Recording R20

Post by Jmindeman » Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am

Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
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Post by JohnL » Thu May 31, 2018 12:45 pm

I used one for a few years playing in a local big band (not one you're likely to have ever heard of), including a couple years on lead. I didn't switch to a different horn, I just stopped playing with that band. The R-20 is still my go-to horn for some things, it's just that I don't do those things that often these days.

The mouthpiece receiver is a bit undersize, so standard mouthpiece don't go in quite as far as on a regular receiver. That causes problems for some people but not for others (never really bothered me).

If you need to cut through, it'll do it for you. If you need to blend, it'll do that, too. I consider the trigger register entirely usable, though the notes tend to be barky.

The listen-with-their-eyes crowd sees the 8.5" bell and the f-attachment and just assumes that it's a symphony-bore tenor, so I sometimes refer to it as a "stealth small bore".
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Post by Jmindeman » Thu May 31, 2018 12:57 pm

Thanks!
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by imsevimse » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:08 am

I have an R20. It was sold as a bass trombone when it was made. It does not sound at all like a modern bass not even close to a large bore. It is small dual bore horn with f-attachment and oversized bell. I think bore is .495/.510 (from memory). I think my horn suffers from the strange receiver.

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Post by JohnL » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:42 pm

In some ways, the R-20 veers toward German "tenor posaune" territory. The bore is .495"/.510" (12.6 mm/12.95 mm) which, along with the 8.5" (216 mm) bell, isn't too far removed from the typical "Weite 2". The Lätzsch SL-250 is 12,4 mm/12,9 mm (.488"/.508") with a 220 mm (8.66") bell. The slide vs. bell proportions are more "American".

You'd never mistake it for a tenor posaune, but it shades more in that direction than just about any other American trombone. I've heard told that a fair portion of Olds' workforce in those days was from Central and Eastern Europe, so that may have colored some of the design choices.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by Arrowhead » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:21 pm

I have an R20. SN: 948903 (<-70's?)
Oddly enough, it does not require a special mp shank like every other Recording I have ever tried. So maybe at some point Olds switched over to a more common taper.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by BflatBass » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm

Jmindeman wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am
Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
Funny you should ask about this horn because a guy in one of my community bands uses one and I got into a conversation with him about it because I'd never seen one before and I thought it was an interesting horn. I took a picture of it with my phone to see if anyone here has used one but you beat me to it :D .
I've also never seen so much rose or red brass used on a trombone especially in the valve rap. He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell. He also said that, according to his research, his was made sometime in the early 1960's. He said he picked it up at a local pawn shop for $200.
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Re: Olds Recording R20

Post by Davidus1 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:47 pm

BflatBass wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:58 pm
Jmindeman wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am
Hello. Has anyone played a 60's-70's Olds R20 Recording with f attachment? What are your impressions? Thanks.
Funny you should ask about this horn because a guy in one of my community bands uses one and I got into a conversation with him about it because I'd never seen one before and I thought it was an interesting horn. I took a picture of it with my phone to see if anyone here has used one but you beat me to it :D .
I've also never seen so much rose or red brass used on a trombone especially in the valve rap. He said he's seen other R20's that were all yellow brass, Including the bell. He also said that, according to his research, his was made sometime in the early 1960's. He said he picked it up at a local pawn shop for $200.
You may have seen this link but it has some great pictures and info about the Olds horns.

http://www.itsabear.com/Olds_Docs/Olds1970.pdf

I am interested in a straight Recording horn but haven't been able to play one.
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