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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by Basbasun » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:13 am

On what record did Donald Knaub play a singel valve trombone?
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by BGuttman » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:01 am

Basbasun wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:13 am
On what record did Donald Knaub play a singel valve trombone?
I have an Ithaca Brass Quintet record where Knaub is playing a 72H for the trombone line. Not really "bass trombone with 1 valve" in the sense the OP was asking.
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by 2bobone » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:39 pm

Reply to "Babasun" about Donald Knaub : There is a spectacular recording of The Eastman Brass Quintet performing "German & English Renaissance Brass" on which Donald Knaub plays a Conn 72H single trigger horn. I just saw a vinyl copy of it on EBay. It is on the "CANDIDE" label. Dan Patrylak and Philip Collins on trumpet -- Verne Reynolds on French Horn, Donald Knaub doing the honors of playing the tenor trombone parts on a Conn 72H single trigger bass trombone, and Cherry Beauregard , tuba. I think I got all the players right since I don't have the recording at hand for reference. To my knowledge, the solo recordings that I re-mastered for Don's "RETREAD" album were all of the solo recordings that he had done up to that time. I just saw the "RETREAD" CD online at "Cherry Classics.com". He only started using a double trigger horn regularly when he became a Yamaha Clinician. My recollection is that the Reynolds Contempora he played back in 1961 was a single trigger horn also. If we'd only had cell phones with those wonderful, ready-to-go cameras back then !
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by BGuttman » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:38 pm

That's the Ithaca Brass Quintet that I have a vinyl album of. Mine has a different title, so there must be a few of them. Given that these recordings are some 60 years old, the playing is excellent.
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Post by 2bobone » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:07 pm

When you think of all the albums of fine performances of every genre that are re-issued, and consider that the performers themselves probably never saw a dime's worth of the profits that the company that did the re-issue made, it makes you wonder if you are on the right side of the horn ! Nonetheless, it perpetuates the art of so many of our brethren, that I suppose it actually borders on being a public service. Shades of Laurel & Hardy ! I'm going to spin that Candide / ESM Brass Quintet album at my first opportunity !
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by CalgaryTbone » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:22 pm

I'm not aware of Don Knaub teaching at Ithaca, but perhaps he did briefly? I have a couple of old Eastman Brass Quintet recordings, and I know that he's playing the tenor part on a 72H (or similar, based on the album pictures). 2bobones had the personnel correct.

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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by Savio » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:39 pm

Jimprindle wrote:
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:48 am
I just listened to Nelson Riddles "The Joy Of Living" album in it's entirety on YouTube. Wow! What a tour-de-force for GR. Definitely a sound to emulate! How much "sweetening" was done in the recording studios in that period (late 50's-early 60's)? For those of you that played with or heard George Roberts live, was there a difference between his live sound and recorded sound?
I went to live concerts that featured GR from 1963-68. No matter where you sat in the auditorium (usually HS or college, once in a convention hall) with no mic, his sound projected above the accompaniment (usually not very good student bands) with no effort. A jazz sax player friend said, "Listening to him is like taking a bath in melted chocolate".

All the times I heard him, live and recorded, it was (as the studio recording guys called him) Mr. Bass Trombone.
Thanks Jim! :good: :good: Wish I could talk to you some day!

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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by JoeStanko » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:25 pm

Basbasun wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:13 am
On what record did Donald Knaub play a singel valve trombone?
I have this LP, and notes from Doug Yeo's website:

Donald Knaub, Bass Trombone (Recording 1). With Barry Snyder, piano. LP. Recorded 1971. Golden Crest RE-7040. Alec Wilder: Sonata, J. S. Bach: Cello Suite V - Sarabande, Jules Semler-Collery: Barcarolle et Chanson Bachique, Halsey Stevens: Sonata (for tuba or bass trombone), Samuel Adler: Canto II

In high school, I was at a summer program at Eastman and had lessons with him. In addition to the 72H, he played a silver plated 73H on a recital that summer. I think both instruments are on the album cover of his second album (notes also copied from Doug Yeo's web site):

Donald Knaub, Bass Trombone (Recording 2). With Barry Snyder, piano. LP. Recorded 1977. Golden Crest RE-7070. Johann Ernst Galliard: Sonata I, J. S. Bach: Cello Suite IV - Sarabande, Jean Michel Defaye: Deux Danses, J. S. Bach: Arias (Cantata 40 - Darzu ist erschienen der Sohn Gottes; Cantata 27 - Wer weiss, wie nae mir mein Ende; Cantata 145 - So du mit deinem Munde bekennest Jesum, Donald White: Tetra Ergon

<<The Eastman Brass Quintet performing "German & English Renaissance Brass">>..yes, terrific recording that I have on LP.

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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by Savio » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:45 pm

Tony Studd played in lot of ensembles. His real name was not Tony Studd:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/255111-Tony-Studd

https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/tony_studd/credits/

There is more and more of this old recordings on youtube, just make a search.
He sounds amazing.....

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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by Inspector71 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:54 am

2bobone wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:37 pm
I'm replying to comments by "Inspector 71". I was a student of Donald Knaub in 1956-61 at The Eastman School of Music. Hearing him play on a Reynolds Contempora back then was my inspiration to follow the bass trombone path [ I began studying with him as a euphonium player]. He did, indeed, switch to a Conn 72H from the Reynolds and always used a Bach 1 1/2 G --- and even a Bach 2G --- on his horns. He had an accident on a construction site as a student where he worked a summer job, during which his front teeth and lips were smashed by the collapse of a scaffold. He credits a dentist who repaired the damage sufficiently for him to manage a long and successful career as a performer and teacher. I remember vividly him showing me the lumps of scar tissue that still resided in his upper lip. He contacted me me to re-master the analogue vinyl recordings he had done throughout his career because he feared that his legacy as a performer would die away without digital replications of his work. I did so, and the resultant recording is available as "RETREAD". A remarkable man, friend and teacher. He did eventually play a Yamaha and made a video for them while being a Yamaha clinician. It is very difficult to believe that he EVER owned a Bach trombone, but not difficult to believe at all that he rarely used it. His sound was distinctive, to say the least, and a Bach would have never been his first choice. RIP, Don.
Thanks for the info. I was unaware of the Reynolds....you learn something new everyday, I guess.

Knauby had told me the story about the teeth and all. He suggested that I get an impressions of my teeth made every so often to help curb such a crisis if it were to ever arise.

Many thanks to you for your work on his albums. I was glad that they were saved. I own a few copies of the Retread. Still a learning experience with every listen.
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by 2bobone » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:11 pm

"Knauby had told me the story about the teeth and all. He suggested that I get an impressions of my teeth made every so often to help curb such a crisis if it were to ever arise. "


I heard a story about Bud Herseth's brother, who was a dentist and told Bud that he should have an impression made of his teeth in case of some bizarre accident. Unfortunately, it DID happen by way of a car accident during which Bud's face collided with the steering wheel of his car ! His brother's wise counsel was rewarded and Bud's career continued with only a slight bump in the road. I took the same advice and have plaster casts of my teeth still setting in my safe deposit box the last time I looked. By now, they are probably no longer relevant, but I hang onto them for laughs. At my age I have more important things to worry about than a bizarre accident ending my trombone playing career ! :lol:
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by bigbandbone » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:18 am

I just listened to Stan Kenton's "The Stage Door Swings" album for the first time. The two bass bone players were listed as Bob Olson and Bill Smiley. They sound really good! Does anyone know what horn's they were playing and when this album was recorded?
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by HawaiiTromboneGuy » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:00 pm

bigbandbone wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:18 am
I just listened to Stan Kenton's "The Stage Door Swings" album for the first time. The two bass bone players were listed as Bob Olson and Bill Smiley. They sound really good! Does anyone know what horn's they were playing and when this album was recorded?
Not sure about this specific album, but I do know Bob Olson played a Williams 10.
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by Jnoxon » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:27 pm

Bob owned two horns. The Williams 10 and a Conn 8H. I don’t know what Bill played.
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Re: Famous bass trombonists with 1 valve

Post by smithr » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:26 pm

One name that I couldn't find in the posts In Robert Harper, long time bass trombonist for the PhILadelphia Orchestra.
He played a Conn Fuchs 70H Bass Trombone I believe. You can hear and see him on YouTube on a videorecording of Ormandy conducting the Planets.
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