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by elmsandr
Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:20 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Screw Rim vs Solid state
Replies: 5
Views: 122

Re: Screw Rim vs Solid state

I kinda agree with all of the above here... I have been playing on Doug's pieces since 1997. Probably have a one of those that I haven't taken apart since about then either. I still play around with other pieces... I feel that a solid built piece has a bit of resonance or sound that is different on ...
by elmsandr
Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:54 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Horn of the Day - 1923 Conn Eb Alto
Replies: 7
Views: 280

Re: Horn of the Day - 1923 Conn Eb Alto

How big is this horn? Is it largish like some of the 20s custom horns?


Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:28 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wich rare horn would you buy EVEN...
Replies: 37
Views: 1053

Re: Wich rare horn would you buy EVEN...

I've generally bit on most of these each time I have seen them. Just about the only dream horn left for me to snag is a Contra or a horn owned by somebody in particular. Do not worry everybody, I intend to make sure my rare horns are restored and ready for when they move on to the next owners. Now t...
by elmsandr
Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Cut It
Replies: 17
Views: 459

Re: Cut It

Having cut a similar section (42BO), try this... Get a closed wrap tuning slide. Rotate the "S" tube a little and just cut the 90 just enough so that the tuning slide span matches the new tuning slide radius. You will have to trim the length on the closed wrap tuning slide and slightly trim the nick...
by elmsandr
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:28 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Thayer issues
Replies: 6
Views: 219

Re: Thayer issues

Hanging out overnight can also cause it to dry out just enough that it will need a little prodding and some more lube. Thayers are thirsty and any small lack of oil can provide enough drag to hold the valve in one place until it is broken free. The aluminum and brass reaction is not a good design fo...
by elmsandr
Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holton 185 appears on ebay!
Replies: 15
Views: 837

Re: Holton 185 appears on ebay!

I gave up my spreadsheet, so all I have is memory. I remember thinking it was worth about $1200 and it went well over than, just don’t remember exactly, I actually stopped by the seller and played that horn, sounded great, but needed a complete slide rebuild, maybe some tubes, too. Probably still sh...
by elmsandr
Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holton 185 appears on ebay!
Replies: 15
Views: 837

Re: Holton 185 appears on ebay!

Dangit!

After this topic I sorta took this horn off my radar as one that might go cheap. Guess we all did that. Not that I have time to work on ANOTHER single bass, but this was well within what I would have paid.

And to think, that destroyed 169 went for >$1200 and this for <$800.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:54 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

The neckpipe from a single valve or dependent valve bass might also do the trick. When building horns, I hate to have to do any double wall tubing as it makes for discontinuities in the taper.* The lack of tuning of the open horn isn't a problem on a proof-of-concept horn, but for anything that I wo...
by elmsandr
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Shortening Bach 42 Oversleeves
Replies: 10
Views: 415

Re: Shortening Bach 42 Oversleeves

To offer a dissent of sorts, I kinda hate lightweight slides. I don’t really like nickel parts on horns, it seems that I can never really get them to vibrate well to my liking. I’ve played many an Edwards lightweight slide on a Bach 42 (essentially a brass slide with no oversleeves). Those always br...
by elmsandr
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:01 am
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Trombone Forum news?
Replies: 6
Views: 686

Re: Trombone Forum news?

Anybody who sent money to keep it going might .... With as many comments on the threads there discussing that very topic, if you sent money you got what you paid for. RLB did a great service for the community there. However, the lack of info and transparency made it clear it was not necessarily a c...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:54 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: New Wessex Bones
Replies: 27
Views: 2041

Re: New Wessex Bones

Something new is a Bb/F soprano.

Neat.
Andy
by elmsandr
Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:46 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Canadian Brass Eugene Watts G2 trombone mouthpiece
Replies: 8
Views: 431

Re: Canadian Brass Eugene Watts G2 trombone mouthpiece

Sounds like the ones from the Getzen time. I had one for a while, it was a little weird for me, but a buddy swore that he needed that funnel feel and still plays it now. At the time 99? 00? I remember comparing it a little to the Lindberg pieces and thinking that they shared some concepts, though wi...
by elmsandr
Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Tools for the trade
Replies: 9
Views: 455

Re: Tools for the trade

So, what is your goal? If you want to be your own slide doctor, but for just your horns... that’s not really going to work. Doing really good slide work takes practice and lots of upkeep. I have learned from some of the best, Cliff and Gary Ferree of Ferree’s tools above, but never had enough practi...
by elmsandr
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:53 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Horn Porn for July 3rd.....
Replies: 16
Views: 708

Re: Horn Porn for July 3rd.....

Does that mean you have a pair of Shires rotors that are currently underutilized?

Work looks great, BTW.
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:22 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

Coming out to be a cute little pocket monster.

Can't wait to hear it,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:44 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: How do you teach/describe your “breathing concept”?
Replies: 47
Views: 1395

Re: How do you teach/describe your “breathing concept”?

We've told the OP many valid reasons why we can't help him. On the other hand, there are some things we could say about breathing that would be agreeable to most of us and potentially understandable to a beginner, aren't there? I think Chris's note and the old "tongue and blow" are both really good...
by elmsandr
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:49 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: S.E. Shires tru-bore™ valve
Replies: 8
Views: 451

Re: S.E. Shires tru-bore™ valve

So, I have two Trubore valve sets... Both Bass. One a single, the other a dependent. I have none of the screw issues mentioned, but I will note that I had to adapt each of these valve sets to an existing horn, so the saddles were moved to different braces. Maybe I did something in that process that ...
by elmsandr
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:52 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What`s your "GO TO" Brand ?
Replies: 26
Views: 1055

Re: What`s your "GO TO" Brand ?

Bachs. At least, it better be, I have about a dozen of them. Currently in the house are a pair of Shires valve sets on the basses and one Holton flare and a Conn Fuchs that needs to be put back together. I tried Edwards for a while, didn't work for me until I put a Bach flare on it and a Conn 62H. B...
by elmsandr
Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:35 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Artist select program
Replies: 4
Views: 319

Re: Artist select program

I would think that they will be more expensive than the non artist select counterparts. I know that they will be great, but I'm sure that some will be greater so that's what I'm looking for :D How do you know that? Evaluating an instrument is a skill. One which many (perhaps even most) professional...
by elmsandr
Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:16 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

If you haven’t seen one, check out a haynor grip. Not sure if that is the correct spelling, but much improved ergonomics for valve actuation. Also, I seem to remember a few old TTF threads where I was stared at oddly for suggesting that the trombone is really only a 5 position instrument based on re...
by elmsandr
Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:53 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

Just to be specific. I didnt just remove the tuning slide. I took 12.5 inches out of the bell section. I got lucky i found a bell the worked perfectly, but would be terrible as a bell for a Bb bass. Yes, compared to a Bb horn, but I was comparing it to the Frost horn. I'm also really curious where ...
by elmsandr
Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:45 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

Hate to break it to you, but your theory is way off. Everything overall speaks way easier on the Db horn. Higher, lower, mid range, all of it. The Db horn can also play at a higher dynamic than the Bb horn without breaking up. Take a listen on a high quality set of headphones once more. As far as t...
by elmsandr
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Db bass trombone!
Replies: 131
Views: 4188

Re: Db bass trombone!

So, a couple of inches shorter than this?

https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic.php?t=5592

I’d seriously consider clocking the valve to have it stand in Bb and use it as an ascending valve. No thought required to drive it then.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Having books spiral bound?
Replies: 19
Views: 751

Re: Having books spiral bound?

I imagine to produce any book is costly, but spiral binding drives up the cost even further and I don't know if publishers see the advantage. I have an old copy of The Virtuoso Trombone that is falling apart at the binding. From what I've read, I don't know if I'd spiral bind it. Why would spiral-b...
by elmsandr
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:41 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: What Symphonies should I listen to?
Replies: 8
Views: 454

Re: What Symphonies should I listen to?

For fun, the Chicago Symphony released a 108 CD box set last year of the complete recordings with Georg Solti. For ~$3 per disc it is a great value and will get you a complete Beethoven cycle, Mahler cycle, and Bruckner cycle plus another 50+ hours of other recordings. Great way to hear ~30 years of...
by elmsandr
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach Lightweight Slide Pictures
Replies: 24
Views: 1176

Re: Bach Lightweight Slide Pictures

Thanks for posting, Baileyman. I was under the impression that the oversleeves (as I understand it, the bit of the outer tubes "before" the hand grip) are more or less missing on Bach lightweight slides. But your picture has the oversleeves. Interesting. Well, no, they are shortened to essentially ...
by elmsandr
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:08 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility
Replies: 19
Views: 972

Re: Conn 62H bass trombone bell compatibility

Getzen 1052/1062.

Not sure of any others. Conns will depend on vintage and length, but that may or may not matter to you.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:29 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Where to get a (used?) 2-valve section for Bach 50B ?
Replies: 4
Views: 505

Re: Where to get a (used?) 2-valve section for Bach 50B ?

Shires valve sections adapt to Bachs rather nicely. I’ve made two different shires sections fit a Bach bass chassis, both fit nicely and left it with a nice reversed tuning slide.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu May 31, 2018 9:50 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Yamaha YSL-671 Alto - Any Reviews, Insights, & Opinions?
Replies: 1
Views: 388

Re: Yamaha YSL-671 Alto - Any Reviews, Insights, & Opinions?

Does the 671 come with a valve as an option? I thought that was only the 871? Either way, I never played one with a valve. I had a 671 for a few years before I sold it to buy a valve. Shouldn't have sold it. Maybe not the truest alto sound in the world, but for doubling it was great. I could pick it...
by elmsandr
Tue May 29, 2018 7:12 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tenor horn
Replies: 55
Views: 2702

Re: Tenor horn

.. if I was the musical director organising these videos, I would insist on all members looking their best, and their instruments in top cleanliness. Perhaps it is my experience in British Style Brass Bands, where we have supplied uniforms that we are expected to keep dry cleaned on a regular basis...
by elmsandr
Mon May 28, 2018 9:18 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tenor horn
Replies: 55
Views: 2702

Re: Tenor horn

When you can play that well, your instrument can look like it belongs to Oscar the grouch. When you play like I do, should probably give it a polish. I still do not polish my horns, my 1908 tuba looks like it has been ignored since 1908, though in reality it has only been ignored since 2004 or so wh...
by elmsandr
Mon May 28, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Holton MONSTER Valve
Replies: 5
Views: 595

Re: Holton MONSTER Valve

The production version feels and plays like an interesting proof of concept prototype. I posted a bunch of pictures of it and the internals on an old TTF thread, I’ll have to see if I can dig those up again to post here. It is interesting that the trigger range is the best on the horn. The entire re...
by elmsandr
Sat May 12, 2018 7:25 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: (Alto) Bb Attachment Length
Replies: 8
Views: 547

Re: (Alto) Bb Attachment Length

Bb in the neighborhood of 108-110”, verify with any tenor you have handy. Eb in the neighborhood of 84”. Do a little subtraction... Or, figure out your own Eb length and use the 12th root of 2 to add each half step on a chart in excel. Make it log the first time and trim down the legs of the tuning ...
by elmsandr
Mon May 07, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Transport mutes/stands etc.
Replies: 20
Views: 1245

Re: Transport mutes/stands etc.

Lowes has a pretty nice tool bag that velcros on to a luggage cart (and comes with the collapseable cart). It is like 12" x 20" X 16 $~80 It's also black so it could go to a stage or pit if absolutely req'd. https://www.lowes.com/pd/AWP-HP-Ballistic-Nylon-Zippered-Closed-Tool-Bag/50149598 Buy a nice...
by elmsandr
Tue May 01, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: M&W custom trombones - any reviews available?
Replies: 21
Views: 1932

Re: M&W custom trombones - any reviews available?

I haven’t played any of their complete horns, so I cannot give you a review of the horns, but I can give a review of the makers and people you would be dealing with. In short, they are some of the finest brass craftsmen on the planet. For a longer explanation, I sent them the slide from an ancient C...
by elmsandr
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Weight of different valves for Bass
Replies: 7
Views: 537

Re: Weight of different valves for Bass

I don’t have it handy anymore, but I did weigh a ton of different valves one time while trying to work out a trade with somebody with a similar issue. Found out that the weight differences weren’t very significant. Balance point differences and grip positioning differences were quite different, thou...
by elmsandr
Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:07 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Vintage trombone for elementary student?
Replies: 41
Views: 1933

Re: Vintage trombone for elementary student?

With no bell lock nut and no cork barrels, this is not a modern instrument at all... I'd say it is just a few years too old to be really playable for a student.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:47 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Flat G tuning Mod
Replies: 8
Views: 652

Re: Flat G tuning Mod

I almost always use a dremel. Good masking is key to making the cuts square as well as keeping the rest of the horn clean (IMO). After you are done, clean it. Clean and flush again. When you think it is clean, clean and flush it two more times. Grit will kill your valves. Also, this could be REALLY ...
by elmsandr
Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:32 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Vintage trombone for elementary student?
Replies: 41
Views: 1933

Re: Vintage trombone for elementary student?

This is a bit crazy. If you have a vintage build Student horn, fine. Some old Conns, a Bach Mercury, Olds Ambassadors, Holton Collegiates, Yamaha 354s... Those would work OK. I wouldn't toss a 1920's 'pro' horn into that mix. They just aren't as easy to play, especially for beginners. You can often ...
by elmsandr
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trombone Materials
Replies: 39
Views: 3618

Re: Trombone Materials

I’ve heard some rumors that Chinese and Taiwanese horns are made from “bad brass”. Personally I would take this with a large grain of salt, as other factors come into play, such as xenophobia, or distrusting the new kids on the block, or resentment at their lower prices. But is there honestly anyth...
by elmsandr
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:28 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Slide cases?
Replies: 7
Views: 733

Slide cases?

Does anybody make a good slide only case? Back in ancient times, there were some nice Bach and King slide cases. I have an extra or two that I’d like to make sure don’t get destroyed. I know that you could just buy half of the Cronkite travel case, but I’m thinking something with a harder shell. Odd...
by elmsandr
Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Cases
Topic: FS: Marco Magi/Shires Bass Detachable Bell case
Replies: 3
Views: 528

Re: FS: Marco Magi/Shires Bass Detachable Bell case

Tried a PM, not sure if that worked, I am interested in this case!

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:33 am
Forum: News & Announcements
Topic: TTF Archives are LIVE!
Replies: 58
Views: 5279

Re: TTF Archives are LIVE!

This is an excellent and amazing resource.

Now, can you delete all the stupid stuff I said and only leave the nuggets of minor trivia that I provide?

Y’all deserve to be paid for this. Make the books transparent and I am sure many of us would be happy to subscribe.

Cheers,
Andy
by elmsandr
Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:40 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 9712

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

When I was in college I experimented with a "rational" Bb/G/E/D combo. I could play 2 octaves up from trigger C barely moving the slide. I gave it up because I couldn't remember all the combinations. Nowadays, I seem to be spending most of my time on single trigger horns... The most succinct summar...
by elmsandr
Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:01 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 9712

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Basbasun wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:23 am
...
You can agrue about if the sound is less good on a andy, I wont say it´s worse.
...
Emphasis added.

/nods knowingly

Cheers,
a Andy
by elmsandr
Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 9712

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

.... I think what you choose depends on the literature you intend to play and your personal preferences. If your focus is on the orchestral and wind ensemble canon you may not need a double at all. As Doug Yeo put it, "Show me something [in that lit.] I can't play on a single!" There are a very few...
by elmsandr
Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 9712

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

So, I am a bass trombonist at the decent amateur level. I mostly do Band stuff, occasionally orchestra, jazz band, and musical stuff. If you only have one horn, get a double. Sure 90%+ can be done on a single, but there always seems to be one number on the concert where I would feel more comfortable...
by elmsandr
Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Accessories
Topic: POLL: Gig Bags vs. Hard Case vs. Semi-Hard Cases
Replies: 19
Views: 1725

Re: POLL: Gig Bags vs. Hard Case vs. Semi-Hard Cases

Pretty much the only case I’ve used in the last 19 years is an Edwards gig bag (the old Dolly bags one). Great gig bag. Use it for everything from my 10” basses to my 8” Bach 34. Sturdy leather with good stitching is still in great shape. I need to get a pair of new cases, I’d prefer something a lit...
by elmsandr
Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:47 pm
Forum: Comments & Suggestions
Topic: Back again
Replies: 56
Views: 4397

Re: Back again

Woohoo!
It is even letting me post now!

Sorry we lost some things, but better to lose some info than to have a non functional board.

Cheers,
Andy

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