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by JohnL
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:29 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Printers for music
Replies: 18
Views: 358

Re: Printers for music

It works fine. BUT! I can't get drivers for Win10, it's too old, and so I'm limited to the basement PC. That's one problem with older IT equipment, drivers may no longer be supported. If it does any sort of Postscript or PCL emulation, you might be able to use a generic driver. I've gotten more tha...
by JohnL
Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:41 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Well, Here's a New One...
Replies: 17
Views: 702

Re: Well, Here's a New One...

You're going to need several left thumbs to work all the "shift" valves!!! Many of those 10 valves are ganged: one lever operates more than one rotor. So, there are two side-by-side thumb levers and three main levers. No worse than early double valve bass trombones. Or the standard configuration fo...
by JohnL
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:00 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Well, Here's a New One...
Replies: 17
Views: 702

Re: Well, Here's a New One...

I count 3 double layer valves and one single layer valve that changes between the layer of the other valves. Even if you count the double layer valves as 2 valves, that give 7. How do you get 10? Just curious. It's easier to see in the second pic. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5A0AAOSwN2VZWa3M/s-l...
by JohnL
Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:29 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Do you think the United States Space Force will get a band?
Replies: 6
Views: 236

Re: Do you think the United States Space Force will get a band?

The last time something like this happened, it was the Air Force being separated from the Army (1947). Since there was an existing AAF band, it became part of the new US Air Force. There isn't any sort of band directly attached to Air Force Space Command, so I would expect that any "Space Force Band...
by JohnL
Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:14 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Marching Slide Trombone
Replies: 8
Views: 223

Re: Marching Slide Trombone

To the broader question ("Should slide trombones be marched?"): Yes, the slide trombone is an integral part of the sound of a modern wind band (whether marching or stationary). You take the trombones out and you lose a part of the sound palette. Valve trombones simply don't sound the same. But the O...
by JohnL
Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Well, Here's a New One...
Replies: 17
Views: 702

Re: Well, Here's a New One...

They should probably add the horn equivalent to an Ergobone. Might make that monster an easier sell.

https://eastop.net/classical-hornplaying/the-pipstick/

Given the skills necessary to build the horn itself, they should have no trouble building something like a pipstick.
by JohnL
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:53 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Advise for Marching Trombone (Corps Style)
Replies: 17
Views: 281

Re: Advise for Marching Trombone (Corps Style)

I feel as though my tone, which was good last year, has become bad and playing the trombone has become uncomfortable. OK, let's focus on that statement for a moment. You had a good tone last year, but now your tone has gone bad and playing is uncomfortable. Something has caused this change. It may ...
by JohnL
Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:52 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Pumpenvalve Trombone on Craigslist!
Replies: 6
Views: 291

Re: Pumpenvalve Trombone on Craigslist!

BGuttman wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 pm
Pumpen were sorta squat piston valves.
Those are Berlin (or Berliner) valves.

I've seen the term "pumpen" applied to both Vienna and Berlin valves, though more often to the Berlin style.
by JohnL
Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:03 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Pumpenvalve Trombone on Craigslist!
Replies: 6
Views: 291

Re: Pumpenvalve Trombone on Craigslist!

It's an early valve design. A double piston, with each piston having only two passages - one straight through and the other with one port on the the side and the other at the bottom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ins ... ston_valve
by JohnL
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:18 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 3rd brace on slide
Replies: 9
Views: 335

Re: 3rd brace on slide

How heavy is the mechanism? How much effect does it has on slide movement? We collected data on outer slide weights on the old forum a few years back. IIRC, the Olds S-20/S-23 slide was the heaviest regular production slide (I don't recall if there were any Conn 70H's in the sample). The extra weig...
by JohnL
Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: 3rd brace on slide
Replies: 9
Views: 335

Re: 3rd brace on slide

As an aside, there are modern TIS trombones. Offhand, I can think of Kanstul, Shires, Rath, and M&W that all have at least one TIS model available.
by JohnL
Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:16 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Favorite Mouthpieces?
Replies: 41
Views: 1600

Re: Favorite Mouthpieces?

Pre59 wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:38 am
Try asking her how much those new high heels cost..
That could backfire in so many ways. :twisted:
by JohnL
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: WTB/WTT Olds P-24G valve parts
Replies: 7
Views: 345

Re: WTB/WTT Olds P-24G valve parts

Thems S-23 valves.
by JohnL
Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Beginner Euphonium
Replies: 4
Views: 240

Re: Beginner Euphonium

A lot depends on what sort of "euphonium" they will be expected to have. If an old-style "American baritone" will do the job, those can be picked up for a few hundred on eBay. The Conn 14I and King 625 are both good, solid beginner horns. If, on the other hand, the band director expects an actual "e...
by JohnL
Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:55 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Leadpipe mod to improve high register?
Replies: 6
Views: 297

Re: Leadpipe mod to improve high register?

Legend is that the Herrick pipes were a common mod on Williams 6's used in the studios, so something in that general style might be the ticket.
by JohnL
Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:07 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Olds Mouthpieces
Replies: 2
Views: 205

Re: Olds Mouthpieces

Here are the only published specs that I can recall seeing: http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds39/olds39_13.htm EDIT: Here is the info converted to text: TROMBONE MOUTHPIECES No. 1-Large bore, deep cup, for bass trombone. 1-inch cup diameter and .250-inch throat. No. 2~-Wide cup dance model. Medium shall...
by JohnL
Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Olds Recording R20
Replies: 6
Views: 422

Re: Olds Recording R20

In some ways, the R-20 veers toward German "tenor posaune" territory. The bore is .495"/.510" (12.6 mm/12.95 mm) which, along with the 8.5" (216 mm) bell, isn't too far removed from the typical "Weite 2". The Lätzsch SL-250 is 12,4 mm/12,9 mm (.488"/.508") with a 220 mm (8.66") bell. The slide vs. b...
by JohnL
Thu May 31, 2018 12:46 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Help? Mouthpiece recommendation for Bach 42H?
Replies: 8
Views: 321

Re: Help? Mouthpiece recommendation for Bach 42H?

Does the mouthpiece really "seat" or does it just kinda bottom out and get all wobbly?
by JohnL
Thu May 31, 2018 12:45 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Olds Recording R20
Replies: 6
Views: 422

Re: Olds Recording R20

I used one for a few years playing in a local big band (not one you're likely to have ever heard of), including a couple years on lead. I didn't switch to a different horn, I just stopped playing with that band. The R-20 is still my go-to horn for some things, it's just that I don't do those things ...
by JohnL
Thu May 31, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Help? Mouthpiece recommendation for Bach 42H?
Replies: 8
Views: 321

Re: Help? Mouthpiece recommendation for Bach 42H?

If the mouthpiece is not seating to the expected depth (nominally 1"), there's something off. Could be some sort foreign material in the receiver area, could be a dent in the receiver (unlikely on a non-removable leadpipe). Also unlikely but possible is that someone has altered the receiver for some...
by JohnL
Tue May 29, 2018 9:03 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tenor horn
Replies: 44
Views: 1399

Re: Tenor horn

This is why I avoid silver horns -- although I'm sure they all play much better in tune when the fingerprints aren't affecting the resonance and pitch of the instrument. But that's only if they're the WRONG fingerprints. The RIGHT fingerprints can drastically improve the performance of your instrum...
by JohnL
Sat May 26, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Spring stop in main slide
Replies: 8
Views: 335

Re: Spring stop in main slide

It'll take a good technician about 5 minutes to pull the spring(s) and put in a set of regular bumpers.
by JohnL
Thu May 24, 2018 10:43 am
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing
Replies: 18
Views: 710

Re: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing

NPR ran a piece on this. The word is apparently an online dictionary's recorded pronunciation for the word...."Laurel." That's what it started as, but the version that went viral is supposedly the product of someone playing the original sound through a computer speaker and recording it on a phone. ...
by JohnL
Thu May 24, 2018 10:37 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tenor horn
Replies: 44
Views: 1399

Re: Tenor horn

Well, that's cleared everything up..... not. There is much confusion because we are talking about instruments of different families.... tenor horns and British baritone horns are Saxhorns. Euphoniums are members of the tuba family. All are conical through their main body, but expand at different ra...
by JohnL
Sun May 20, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: "America the Beautiful" for solo vocal with concert band?
Replies: 0
Views: 128

"America the Beautiful" for solo vocal with concert band?

After hearing yet another rendition of the Carmen Dragon setting of "America the Beautiful" with solo vocal added, I've got to ask: Does any know of a good arrangement of AtB for concert band that was actually written as an accompaniment for solo vocal? I see versions with option chorus parts, but n...
by JohnL
Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing
Replies: 18
Views: 710

Re: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing

Most of the time I hear yanny, but I tried it last night after rehearsal and clearly heard laurel. An hour later, on the same system, I was back to hearing yanny.
by JohnL
Thu May 17, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tuba questions
Replies: 8
Views: 451

Re: Tuba questions

In some parts of the world, and in some ensembles, tubas do read treble clef music. British-style brass bands, for example, traditionally have ALL of the parts except the third/bass trombone written in either Eb or Bb treble clef. In the US, you'll normally see tuba parts written in concert pitch ba...
by JohnL
Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats
Replies: 42
Views: 1812

Re: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats

Reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me, don't know if it was true. He was listening to a live radio broadcast of the CSO, the bass trombone was obviously very loud. At the end of the piece (I think he said it was a Shostakovitch symphony) the announcer allegedly said, "And that was Charles ...
by JohnL
Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats
Replies: 42
Views: 1812

Re: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats

Exasperation mounting, after a while we mimed a movement - and got the hand again!! That's the breaking point. Wanting the trombones to play really soft is musical interpretation. But not noticing that the trombones are not actually playing ? But tempting as it is to deep-fat fry the conductor in f...
by JohnL
Tue May 15, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Rescued school surplus horns
Replies: 10
Views: 656

Re: Rescued school surplus horns

Any help with the .520 pipe for the Reynolds? I seem to recall John Sandhagen mentioning that there is a lot of meat on a Bach 36 pipe - enough so that it can be turned down to fit smaller bore instruments. IIRC, he mentioned that he had reworked them to fit .500" bore, so .520" should be a breeze....
by JohnL
Sun May 13, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Other Site
Replies: 37
Views: 2718

Re: The Other Site

cozzagiorgi wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 9:30 am
Not even sure TTF will have its entire archive...
That would be most unfortunate.
by JohnL
Sun May 13, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Other Site
Replies: 37
Views: 2718

Re: The Other Site

I suppose it WOULD be possible to pull over a "differential" archive of newer posts, if TTF came back full steam. But since THIS site now has TTF archives AND the support, I see no point in going back to TTF all on its own. The TTF archive isn't complete. As I understand it, the scraper didn't quit...
by JohnL
Sat May 12, 2018 11:12 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 7708

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Actually, the idea behind this is not to use the valves together - each is treated individually. My first exposure to this tuning was from Mr. Kleinhammer; he first saw this setup from a player in Europe. So it might be more accurately termed a "twin single" rather than an "independent double"? The...
by JohnL
Wed May 09, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The frustrations of a 'tweener
Replies: 7
Views: 669

Re: The frustrations of a 'tweener

Fruitysloth wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 11:07 pm
I'm always thankful for the opportunity, I'm just not sure how I ended up there!
The first few times might well have been on the recommendation of your prof, but they have to be happy with what they hear or they would not keep calling.
by JohnL
Mon May 07, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 7708

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

One of the things about super-long attachments is that you end up with fewer slide positions. If you've got an indy set up for Bb/F/D/B, that B tuning is only going to have four usable positions.
by JohnL
Sun May 06, 2018 11:22 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 107
Views: 7708

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Olds offered an Eb-D extension for the second valve on the P-24G. I have one. Adds a lot of weight and plays hob with the balance of the horn, as well as negating most of the technical uses for the second valve.
by JohnL
Fri May 04, 2018 6:14 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Science - is it allowed?
Replies: 17
Views: 1147

Re: Science - is it allowed?

What happened to the other site that allowed that? Oh yeah, never mind.... The other site is down due to technical/admin issues, not due to content related issues. I think he's referring to the number of people that left the old site because of some of the rancorous exchanges in the OT areas, not t...
by JohnL
Thu May 03, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Reynolds Professional TO-38
Replies: 3
Views: 359

Re: Reynolds Professional TO-38

It probably shares some parts with the P-15, but it's not identical (heavier braces, for one thing).
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 4:30 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Rhapsody in Blue original version
Replies: 3
Views: 249

Re: Rhapsody in Blue original version

The original autographic score is available from Alfred Music, but the piece is still covered under copyright, so it would be illegal to extract parts from same. According to their site, Luck's Music Library has the 1924 edition for rent. As far as the original instrumentation? Here's what Wikipedia...
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 4:10 pm
Forum: News & Announcements
Topic: TTF Archives are LIVE!
Replies: 58
Views: 3863

Re: TTF Archives are LIVE!

Check out what I had mentioned a few posts back. There might be some missingness due to a problem with the scraper that was unrealized until now. I've resisted bringing this up for a little while, but I think it's time we acknowledged the elephant in the room. It seems the scraper missed quite a bi...
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 9:38 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is there a good BBb contra?
Replies: 28
Views: 1354

Re: Is there a good BBb contra?

MoominDave wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 9:23 am
I wonder if they ever corresponded?
Maybe not, but you can be sure they were aware of what each other was doing as far as instrument design.
by JohnL
Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Bunker
Replies: 58
Views: 3310

Re: The Bunker

How 'bout a GLISSANDO of trombones (but only because a "slide of slide trombones" sounds silly).
by JohnL
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Olds Super -> Removable Leadpipe?
Replies: 5
Views: 300

Re: Olds Super -> Removable Leadpipe?

The top tube on a Super is .485". Not many choices in that size range. Then again, that may be an academic question. I've never had the leadpipe pulled on any of my "normal" Supers, but if they're like most Olds horns, you'll find that the OD of modern slip-fit .485" pipes is too large. Going to a t...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?
Replies: 7
Views: 282

Re: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?

One thing to note is that the slide is not placed correctly in the case (happens a lot). The way it is in the pic, I expect there is a dent in the bell (likely some scratches, too) where the tenon has banged into the bell. That's an indicator that the seller is not familiar with trombones and may no...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?
Replies: 7
Views: 282

Re: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?

The pics don't show the serial number (the number on the brace is NOT the serial number), so it's impossible to be precise. If I read the engraving correctly, it says "Los Angeles", which dates it from the late forties to the early fifties. The serial number should be located on the slide side of th...
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:32 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Vintage trombone for elementary student?
Replies: 41
Views: 1413

Re: Vintage trombone for elementary student?

I remember when I replaced my Bundy with a Conn 4H back in junior high, I though it was the coolest thing in the world. The Conn had been well cared for, so It still looked pretty nice, and it was a serious upgrade from the Bundy in playability. I was the envy of the section for a little while.
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:25 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bollinger Tuning
Replies: 6
Views: 543

Re: Bollinger Tuning

I arrived at the bG tuning from the "other direction"; rather than shortening up a Gb attachment, I pulled the slide on a G attachment. This goes back to my college days (1982 or so). I started tinkering with the second valve tuning on my P-24G to see if I could put a Gb in first position (it wasn't...
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Rotary bass trumpets...
Replies: 10
Views: 564

Re: Rotary bass trumpets...

Sounds like you've got the budget to go higher, but you still might want to check out the Lidl if you have a chance.
by JohnL
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Comments & Suggestions
Topic: TOS discussion
Replies: 13
Views: 587

Re: TOS discussion

Going against the apparent grain here... While most of us are perfectly willing and able to comply with a TOS that pretty much just says "stay on topic and don't be a jerk", that's not the sort of person a TOS is written for. They're written for the people who persist in behaving like jerks and then...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: History of Holton tr150 & 158
Replies: 3
Views: 225

Re: History of Holton tr150 & 158

You might be able to to dredge something up in Google's cache or via the Wayback Machine on archive.org. Here's something from the Google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GkvLrUcY6ycJ:tromboneforum.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D65271.msg%25msg_id%25+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us The...

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