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by JohnL
Sun May 20, 2018 9:13 am
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: "America the Beautiful" for solo vocal with concert band?
Replies: 0
Views: 29

"America the Beautiful" for solo vocal with concert band?

After hearing yet another rendition of the Carmen Dragon setting of "America the Beautiful" with solo vocal added, I've got to ask: Does any know of a good arrangement of AtB for concert band that was actually written as an accompaniment for solo vocal? I see versions with option chorus parts, but n...
by JohnL
Fri May 18, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Teaching & Learning
Topic: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing
Replies: 14
Views: 258

Re: Laurel vs Yanny as relates to hearing

Most of the time I hear yanny, but I tried it last night after rehearsal and clearly heard laurel. An hour later, on the same system, I was back to hearing yanny.
by JohnL
Thu May 17, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Tuba questions
Replies: 8
Views: 253

Re: Tuba questions

In some parts of the world, and in some ensembles, tubas do read treble clef music. British-style brass bands, for example, traditionally have ALL of the parts except the third/bass trombone written in either Eb or Bb treble clef. In the US, you'll normally see tuba parts written in concert pitch ba...
by JohnL
Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats
Replies: 32
Views: 872

Re: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats

Reminds me of a story a friend of mine told me, don't know if it was true. He was listening to a live radio broadcast of the CSO, the bass trombone was obviously very loud. At the end of the piece (I think he said it was a Shostakovitch symphony) the announcer allegedly said, "And that was Charles ...
by JohnL
Tue May 15, 2018 9:22 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats
Replies: 32
Views: 872

Re: Conductors that use trombones as scapegoats

Exasperation mounting, after a while we mimed a movement - and got the hand again!! That's the breaking point. Wanting the trombones to play really soft is musical interpretation. But not noticing that the trombones are not actually playing ? But tempting as it is to deep-fat fry the conductor in f...
by JohnL
Tue May 15, 2018 9:19 am
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Rescued school surplus horns
Replies: 10
Views: 438

Re: Rescued school surplus horns

Any help with the .520 pipe for the Reynolds? I seem to recall John Sandhagen mentioning that there is a lot of meat on a Bach 36 pipe - enough so that it can be turned down to fit smaller bore instruments. IIRC, he mentioned that he had reworked them to fit .500" bore, so .520" should be a breeze....
by JohnL
Sun May 13, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Other Site
Replies: 37
Views: 2394

Re: The Other Site

cozzagiorgi wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 9:30 am
Not even sure TTF will have its entire archive...
That would be most unfortunate.
by JohnL
Sun May 13, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Other Site
Replies: 37
Views: 2394

Re: The Other Site

I suppose it WOULD be possible to pull over a "differential" archive of newer posts, if TTF came back full steam. But since THIS site now has TTF archives AND the support, I see no point in going back to TTF all on its own. The TTF archive isn't complete. As I understand it, the scraper didn't quit...
by JohnL
Sat May 12, 2018 11:12 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Actually, the idea behind this is not to use the valves together - each is treated individually. My first exposure to this tuning was from Mr. Kleinhammer; he first saw this setup from a player in Europe. So it might be more accurately termed a "twin single" rather than an "independent double"? The...
by JohnL
Wed May 09, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The frustrations of a 'tweener
Replies: 6
Views: 491

Re: The frustrations of a 'tweener

Fruitysloth wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 11:07 pm
I'm always thankful for the opportunity, I'm just not sure how I ended up there!
The first few times might well have been on the recommendation of your prof, but they have to be happy with what they hear or they would not keep calling.
by JohnL
Mon May 07, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

One of the things about super-long attachments is that you end up with fewer slide positions. If you've got an indy set up for Bb/F/D/B, that B tuning is only going to have four usable positions.
by JohnL
Sun May 06, 2018 11:22 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Olds offered an Eb-D extension for the second valve on the P-24G. I have one. Adds a lot of weight and plays hob with the balance of the horn, as well as negating most of the technical uses for the second valve.
by JohnL
Fri May 04, 2018 6:14 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Science - is it allowed?
Replies: 17
Views: 936

Re: Science - is it allowed?

What happened to the other site that allowed that? Oh yeah, never mind.... The other site is down due to technical/admin issues, not due to content related issues. I think he's referring to the number of people that left the old site because of some of the rancorous exchanges in the OT areas, not t...
by JohnL
Thu May 03, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Reynolds Professional TO-38
Replies: 3
Views: 299

Re: Reynolds Professional TO-38

It probably shares some parts with the P-15, but it's not identical (heavier braces, for one thing).
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 4:30 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Rhapsody in Blue original version
Replies: 3
Views: 181

Re: Rhapsody in Blue original version

The original autographic score is available from Alfred Music, but the piece is still covered under copyright, so it would be illegal to extract parts from same. According to their site, Luck's Music Library has the 1924 edition for rent. As far as the original instrumentation? Here's what Wikipedia...
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 4:10 pm
Forum: News & Announcements
Topic: TTF Archives are LIVE!
Replies: 58
Views: 3150

Re: TTF Archives are LIVE!

Check out what I had mentioned a few posts back. There might be some missingness due to a problem with the scraper that was unrealized until now. I've resisted bringing this up for a little while, but I think it's time we acknowledged the elephant in the room. It seems the scraper missed quite a bi...
by JohnL
Tue May 01, 2018 9:38 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is there a good BBb contra?
Replies: 28
Views: 1131

Re: Is there a good BBb contra?

MoominDave wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 9:23 am
I wonder if they ever corresponded?
Maybe not, but you can be sure they were aware of what each other was doing as far as instrument design.
by JohnL
Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Bunker
Replies: 48
Views: 2341

Re: The Bunker

How 'bout a GLISSANDO of trombones (but only because a "slide of slide trombones" sounds silly).
by JohnL
Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Olds Super -> Removable Leadpipe?
Replies: 5
Views: 229

Re: Olds Super -> Removable Leadpipe?

The top tube on a Super is .485". Not many choices in that size range. Then again, that may be an academic question. I've never had the leadpipe pulled on any of my "normal" Supers, but if they're like most Olds horns, you'll find that the OD of modern slip-fit .485" pipes is too large. Going to a t...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?
Replies: 7
Views: 240

Re: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?

One thing to note is that the slide is not placed correctly in the case (happens a lot). The way it is in the pic, I expect there is a dent in the bell (likely some scratches, too) where the tenon has banged into the bell. That's an indicator that the seller is not familiar with trombones and may no...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?
Replies: 7
Views: 240

Re: Identify Vintage Olds Ambassador?

The pics don't show the serial number (the number on the brace is NOT the serial number), so it's impossible to be precise. If I read the engraving correctly, it says "Los Angeles", which dates it from the late forties to the early fifties. The serial number should be located on the slide side of th...
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:32 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Vintage trombone for elementary student?
Replies: 41
Views: 1185

Re: Vintage trombone for elementary student?

I remember when I replaced my Bundy with a Conn 4H back in junior high, I though it was the coolest thing in the world. The Conn had been well cared for, so It still looked pretty nice, and it was a serious upgrade from the Bundy in playability. I was the envy of the section for a little while.
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:25 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bollinger Tuning
Replies: 3
Views: 313

Re: Bollinger Tuning

I arrived at the bG tuning from the "other direction"; rather than shortening up a Gb attachment, I pulled the slide on a G attachment. This goes back to my college days (1982 or so). I started tinkering with the second valve tuning on my P-24G to see if I could put a Gb in first position (it wasn't...
by JohnL
Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:55 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Rotary bass trumpets...
Replies: 10
Views: 494

Re: Rotary bass trumpets...

Sounds like you've got the budget to go higher, but you still might want to check out the Lidl if you have a chance.
by JohnL
Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:09 pm
Forum: Comments & Suggestions
Topic: TOS discussion
Replies: 13
Views: 467

Re: TOS discussion

Going against the apparent grain here... While most of us are perfectly willing and able to comply with a TOS that pretty much just says "stay on topic and don't be a jerk", that's not the sort of person a TOS is written for. They're written for the people who persist in behaving like jerks and then...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:39 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: History of Holton tr150 & 158
Replies: 3
Views: 199

Re: History of Holton tr150 & 158

You might be able to to dredge something up in Google's cache or via the Wayback Machine on archive.org. Here's something from the Google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GkvLrUcY6ycJ:tromboneforum.org/index.php%3Ftopic%3D65271.msg%25msg_id%25+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us The...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:41 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Opinions on best mid-size trombone
Replies: 28
Views: 1186

Re: Opinions on best mid-size trombone

We overlooked Olds horns. What about an Olds Recording, Radio, L8? The Recording (.495"/.510") and the Radio (.485"/.500") aren't really "mid-sized" horns. L's are rare enough that I'm not comfortable giving a definitive bore size, but I think they were probably .510"/.530" or .510"/.535"; LLM's se...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Media
Topic: Video Test thread (please participate)
Replies: 25
Views: 1106

Re: Video Test thread (please participate)

Matt K wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:45 am
I've added Vimeo to the list; I originally excluded it as I had never heard of it.
Vimeo's one of those things that you use without realizing it. Kind like yimg.com.
by JohnL
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Media
Topic: Video Test thread (please participate)
Replies: 25
Views: 1106

Re: Video Test thread (please participate)

Neo Bri wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:04 am
[media]https://vimeo.com/channels/laetzschcust ... /199224434[/media]

Didn't work. Suggestions?
I think the media tag only works for youtube at this point. I tried to post a vid from my site and it show up as a link rather than embedding.
by JohnL
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:45 am
Forum: Media
Topic: Video Test thread (please participate)
Replies: 25
Views: 1106

Re: Video Test thread (please participate)

Trying again. Linking from Google Drive. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fC4Bdvno373TIpDCg7UaX9f-UKqHVw5e/view?usp=sharing Seems to work. It's an old (2008) cell phone vid. That's Winnifred in the crate and Sadie on the outside. In order to avoid conflicts, we usually feed one of our dogs in a crat...
by JohnL
Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is rose brass?
Replies: 21
Views: 665

Re: What is rose brass?

But I keep wondering how much the material really matters... Depends on how close to identical the manufacturing process is. Using the "ground chuck vs. ground round" comparison... If you prepared both using the same method, any difference in taste between the two would be attributable to them bein...
by JohnL
Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:48 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is rose brass?
Replies: 21
Views: 665

Re: What is rose brass?

Mikebmiller wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:25 am
Kinda like the difference in ground chuck and ground round. It all tastes good when you put it on a grill.
An excellent simile, given that how the meat is prepared is at least as important as what part of the cow it came from.
by JohnL
Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 50H - Thoughts?
Replies: 2
Views: 187

Re: Conn 50H - Thoughts?

Minimal clearance between bell rim and slide. They can be knuckle busters.
by JohnL
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Is there a good BBb contra?
Replies: 28
Views: 1131

Re: Is there a good BBb contra?

Sell him your BBb and buy yourself an F. Everyone's happy...

and broke. :twisted:
by JohnL
Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:31 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Newness
Replies: 11
Views: 850

Re: Newness

JohnSandhagen wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:19 am
No one called me!
I figured you knew.
by JohnL
Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:40 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Bunker
Replies: 48
Views: 2341

Re: The Bunker

I have tried every tactic to get people to stop being hateful and accusatory, and just listen. I've been mean, and nice, and factual, and sarcastic, and pleading, and dismissive. And none of it works. Bummer. It doesn't matter what you do or say because it's not about you , it's about them ... Mega...
by JohnL
Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:50 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Trombone Materials
Replies: 28
Views: 1461

Re: Trombone Materials

Not speaking to any particular manufacturer's product, just a general observation... While "historical" bronzes were alloys of copper and tin, the term has become something of a "catch-all" for a bunch of different copper-based alloys. There's aluminum bronze (copper plus aluminum), phosphor bronze ...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:04 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Bunker
Replies: 48
Views: 2341

Re: The Bunker

BGuttman wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:24 pm
Tell the people who have it in for the circus that you (1) weren't an animal trainer and (2) noticed that the animals seemed pretty happy with their lot.
I'm afraid that would be like trying to put out a fire with gasoline...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:27 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: What is rose brass?
Replies: 21
Views: 665

Re: What is rose brass?

There is no "official" definition of rose brass, so you'll find it applied to 90/10 and 85/15 alloys somewhat indiscriminately.

This might be a sticky-worthy topic...
by JohnL
Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:11 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bach for jazz
Replies: 13
Views: 696

Re: Bach for jazz

There's been a contingent of people using Bach small bores for jazz going back to at least the swing era. Glenn Miller was a Bach guy, and I've seen ads claiming the Jimmy Dorsey band trombone section was all Bach.

Not as popular as Kings or Conns, of course - but not particularly rare, either.
by JohnL
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:38 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts Super?!?
Replies: 3
Views: 271

Re: George Roberts Super?!?

They recycled the tag...
by JohnL
Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts Super?!?
Replies: 3
Views: 271

Re: George Roberts Super?!?

Does the serial number match your horn?
by JohnL
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:40 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Meaning the old school F/Eb/Bb valve type right? Last time I checked Jurgen Voigt offers at least one of their bass trombone models in this relative whole step/perfect 5th valve tuning (so Bb/Ab/Eb). If I understand it right, the contras were made that way because the slide was too long to reach at...
by JohnL
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:42 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

Well, another consideration is that when you play an F in 2nd position, you've added a few inches of larger bore tubing to the equation from the slide. What is it, .590 usually for .562 inner bore slides? That's going to make a big difference! Playing the F in second-ish position on the Gb valve (o...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Is This The New Trombone Forum?
Replies: 41
Views: 3259

Re: Is This The New Trombone Forum?

Most of the people here wash, and bathe regularly. I’m not sure about that other site, which isn’t functional. That one is starting to look like a scam. If it is a scam, it's a darn poorly run one. Every day the site is down, people are less likely to send money to get it back up again. As far as I...
by JohnL
Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Is This The New Trombone Forum?
Replies: 41
Views: 3259

Re: Is This The New Trombone Forum?

This site has different owners, so it's not, technically, the "New TTF".

It's kinda like your favorite restaurant closed and then some of the staff and loyal customers opened up a new place a few blocks away.
by JohnL
Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:42 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: The Other Site
Replies: 37
Views: 2394

Re: The Other Site

I still get the "We're Moving" message, but only if I go to the main page. Any other URL that happens to be in history comes up "not found".
by JohnL
Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:39 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent
Replies: 100
Views: 5670

Re: Bass Trombones- Single vs Dependent vs Independent

I saw on Brass Ark a "Bartok valve". This replaced the second valve with a linkage mechanism that pushed the slide out for the F attachment to Eb tuning. I believe the Bartok "valve" is just an E extension, not Eb. Just enough to be able to glissando between F and low B. I'm not sure how useful it ...

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