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by JohnL
Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:08 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: History of King bass trombones
Replies: 19
Views: 1164

Re: History of King bass trombones

Your Honor: I would like to enter Exhibit A DuoGravis Patent.pdf Not exactly a Duo Gravis patent, as the linkage described was never actually used. It does bear a resemblance to what's now called the Haynor (sp?) grip. The fact that George McCracken went to the trouble of developing this design sug...
by JohnL
Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:41 am
Forum: Performance
Topic: What we're doing
Replies: 275
Views: 36509

Re: What we're doing

The brass choir show is Sunday. But in the last 2 weeks, one of our conductors came down with pneumonia and a horn player had a heart attack. Fortunately, he had emergency surgery and is OK. But I am starting to think my band is cursed. They're both OK now, so I'd say that's more a blessing than a ...
by JohnL
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:48 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Olds bass trombone
Replies: 3
Views: 297

Re: Olds bass trombone

Depends on what you mean by "starter" bass trombone. Don't let that 10" bell flare fool you. The rest of the horn (leadpipe to bell throat) is small by modern standards (or even by late 1960's standards). Dual bore .554"/.565". Based on the vintage, I would expect this one to have .565" tubing in th...
by JohnL
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: (Classifieds) Instruments & Parts
Topic: FS: American Standard "Collector" Bass Trombone
Replies: 4
Views: 351

Re: FS: American Standard "Collector" Bass Trombone

USQMD is United States Quartermaster Department, which was part of the Army. That means it's no newer than about 1912, since that's when the Quartermaster Department became the Quartermaster Corps.

Have you tried it with a modern large shank mouthpiece?
by JohnL
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:06 am
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?
Replies: 16
Views: 633

Re: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?

PaulT wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:06 pm
Um... the Olds in question has a small shank mouthpiece. My bad. Don't know what I was seeing before, but it "tweren't right"
Such is life. :)
by JohnL
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Shires Q Series Euphonium
Replies: 44
Views: 2797

Re: Shires Q Series Euphonium

I remember having a conversation with a local music store owner a few years ago when Eastman was first starting to make inroads into the US market. According to him, Eastman was specifically targeting a price point higher than the other China-based companies because they wanted to separate themselve...
by JohnL
Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Holton TR158: bass trombone?
Replies: 10
Views: 415

Re: Holton TR158: bass trombone?

Pretty much all of Holton's symphonic-bore tenors had 9" flares, but I'm pretty sure it's a big flare on what is otherwise a tenor bell.

If you're just looking for an inexpensive single-rotor bass, the Yamaha YBL-321 or YBL-421 would be good choices.
by JohnL
Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?
Replies: 16
Views: 633

Re: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?

He plans on making our next concert, so I will likely get a chance to check the horn out. What should I look for? (I have camera and calipers) Where would the serial # be? If it's from the 1960's, the serial number should be on the slide side of the tenon joint, right by the threads (or the nut, de...
by JohnL
Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:40 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?
Replies: 16
Views: 633

Re: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?

(an aside) If you see an old Olds straight horn (early to mid sixties?) and all you know about is that it has a large shank mouthpiece (even though the rest of it looks not large), can you draw any conclusion about the likely bore? (it has an octagonal slide) I'd be very interested in getting more ...
by JohnL
Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: History of the Trombone
Topic: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?
Replies: 16
Views: 633

Re: 1958 Band Photo. No Triggers. ?

There's a reason why those pre-WWII Conn bass trombones are so darn rare - almost no one needed one unless they were playing in an orchestra. Not much call for an f-attachment in pre-WWII American concert band literature. One can be handy on some of the third trombone parts so you're not whipsawing ...
by JohnL
Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:00 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Wessex small bore?
Replies: 7
Views: 370

Re: Wessex small bore?

GermanTrombone wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:33 pm
Any clue which legendary small bore they mean hear?
Martin Urbie Green model; TR4501
by JohnL
Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Brass Instrument Expo?
Replies: 7
Views: 550

Re: Brass Instrument Expo?

Stir the pot a little bit and see if you can get Steve Shires to show off his new Stephens French horn. :twisted:
by JohnL
Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?
Replies: 13
Views: 528

Re: [Schilke] 60-sized mpcs - alternatives?

Never tried one, but I've heard a lot of good things about the Laskey 93D. Not sure about availability new, what with Scott Laskey's passing, but gently used ones pop up once in a while.

The Hammond 21BL/BXL would be another option.
by JohnL
Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Anyone Know anything about this Mouthpiece
Replies: 2
Views: 272

Re: Anyone Know anything about this Mouthpiece

The Schilke 43A, 45B, and 47B were originally named the Cimera-Sares #1, #2, and #3, respectively.

Regarding Jaroslav (Jerry) Cimera: http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64756
Regarding Art Sares: http://www.trombone-usa.com/sares_art_bio.htm
by JohnL
Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: Music Business
Topic: Building a following for a big band
Replies: 16
Views: 718

Re: Building a following for a big band

What's your repertoire like?
by JohnL
Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Does it matter what horn you play?
Replies: 57
Views: 2832

Re: Does it matter what horn you play?

Part of the difficulty of this question is music is difficult to impossible to measure in a meaningful way. In racing, we absolutely know equipment matters. Guys are faster on some setups then others. It provable with a stop watch. No arguments. Maybe that's why there are those who get obsessed wit...
by JohnL
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Tangents
Topic: Who is Florida Man?
Replies: 16
Views: 682

Re: Who is Florida Man?

I used to see a lot of "wacky" news coming out of the Miami Herald being published in the McClatchy papers out here on the west coast. They don't do it as much any more, but there's still the odd, odd story from time to time.

and don't forget Florida Man's more well-traveled rival, Local Man.
by JohnL
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Olds Star Moutpiece
Replies: 3
Views: 170

Re: Olds Star Moutpiece

I know a 1* is definitely different from a 1, so I would give a provisional "yes". How it's different I could not say. Nothing in any of the Olds literature I have about the star mouthpiece models.

Which style of blank is it?
by JohnL
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:35 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: FE OLDS & sons Silver plated 'special" trombone?
Replies: 21
Views: 692

Re: FE OLDS & sons Silver plated 'special" trombone?

The '73 catalog lists an NL-15 Special; .485"/.500" dual bore, nickel plated brass. No Studio model is listed. Olds did make a .500" bore Studio at one time (it's listed in the 1970 catalog); if I were trying to sum it up, I'd say the .500" Studio is an economy version of the P-15 while the Special ...
by JohnL
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: FE OLDS & sons Silver plated 'special" trombone?
Replies: 21
Views: 692

Re: FE OLDS & sons Silver plated 'special" trombone?

???
I only see replies, not the original post?
by JohnL
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:15 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

John didn't know you weren't a trombonist. Ah, the vagaries of the English language... Oh, I play trombone, but I do not do so professionally (or even semi-professionally, truth be told). Don't have a music degree, either, nor any training in pedagogy. The university I attended didn't even have a t...
by JohnL
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:41 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

Unfortunately John L deleted all of his posts before I could read them so I'm missing that perspective. There wasn't much perspective to be missed; I posted a fairly lengthy set of references to the information from Olds catalogs (all of which are , mentioned an anecdote about George's leadpipe (yo...
by JohnL
Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:41 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Do you know what this is?
Replies: 5
Views: 395

Re: Do you know what this is?

You mean this?
by JohnL
Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:43 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

Deleted. Sorry I wasted everyone's time.
by JohnL
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:52 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Too bright and too much bite?
Replies: 22
Views: 1072

Re: Too bright and too much bite?

sirisobhakya wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:27 pm
I like my sound from behind the bell and when I play alone, but upon listening to a recording when in section I realized it is much brighter and has noticeably more bite than others to the point that it stands out.
Is your impression that your sound is too bright based on this single recording?
by JohnL
Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

Deleted.
by JohnL
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:11 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Modified Ambassador?
Replies: 8
Views: 423

Re: Modified Ambassador?

Not exactly pretty, but someone put a lot of effort into it. Looks like the original horn was a Fullerton A-15. Pretty small (.485"/.500", 7.5" bell) for an f-attachment. I remember a handful of horns of this sort (basic student tenors with interesting f-attachments grafted on) being on eBay a few y...
by JohnL
Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:50 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

Deleted.
by JohnL
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:57 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: George Roberts equipment
Replies: 66
Views: 2759

Re: George Roberts equipment

Deleted.
by JohnL
Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H
Replies: 16
Views: 753

Re: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H

Is the Clarke old enough? Doug Elliott sent me one to analyze for metal content and I played it on a rehearsal. It felt like a very comfortable 6.5 AL (I don't like the Bach 6.5 AL at all). I seriously thought about asking if I could buy it. Not enough good info on the web to be sure when the Conn ...
by JohnL
Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H
Replies: 16
Views: 753

Re: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H

Have you looked at the info here?
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnMpc ... tists.html

If I were you, I'd be looking for a Conn Clarke.
by JohnL
Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H
Replies: 16
Views: 753

Re: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H

Ralph Sauer wrote about Gordon Pulis's equipment in last quarter's ITA journal. He said he used a Bach 4 (not a 4G, a 4) on his 78H. I think that Pulis's mouthpiece choice is perhaps the most "authentic" possible reference. Pulis was born two years after the OP's 78H was built. Vincent Bach was jus...
by JohnL
Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:22 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Hand support for a DuoGravis?
Replies: 16
Views: 659

Re: Hand support for a DuoGravis?

I don't think anything like the Get-A-Grip, Ax Handle, or Greenhoe Rest is going to work. They're all designed to work with instruments where the bell brace is behind the thumb. Maybe something like the Rath Hand Support?
by JohnL
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:06 am
Forum: Accessories
Topic: Hand support for a DuoGravis?
Replies: 16
Views: 659

Re: Hand support for a DuoGravis?

cozzagiorgi wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:20 am
Are they particularly uncomfortable?
For some people the stock D-G setup is excruciating uncomfortable. For others, it's the best thing they've ever tried. No accounting for taste and/or anatomical variation.
by JohnL
Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:01 pm
Forum: Mouthpieces
Topic: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H
Replies: 16
Views: 753

Re: Authentic mouthpiece for an old Conn 78H

Most likely something like this would have been the standard: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Conn-Trombone-Mouthpiece/113771121447?hash=item1a7d498b27:g:98UAAOSwQjxc9aPU In that era, you would have had some people using the older funnel-shaped designs while others would be going for something more...
by JohnL
Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:12 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Savio travels to meet me.
Replies: 19
Views: 1155

Re: Savio travels to meet me.

FOSSIL wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:52 am
... and blow up some balloons....
Now you've done it. You're talking about blowing something up; you're gonna end up on the no fly list.
by JohnL
Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:52 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: King “Silvertone” vs “Silversonic”
Replies: 2
Views: 300

Re: King “Silvertone” vs “Silversonic”

King used "Silvertone" to describe a sterling silver bell until they lost a trademark suit with Sears (who made a student grade trombone called Silvertone). King models after the trademark loss are called SilverSonic. There is no difference between a 2B Silvertone and a 2B Silversonic except that t...
by JohnL
Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Composition, Arrangement, & Theory
Topic: Trombone Choir music sources
Replies: 3
Views: 390

Re: Trombone Choir music sources

DrTbone43 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:30 pm
Please direct me to trombone choir music appropriate for a Christmas Chamber concert. Level 5 music can work. A mix of classical to light stuff would be good.
If you want some jazz-oriented pieces, the Trombone Christmas books have some good stuff.
by JohnL
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:11 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: A strange coincidence?
Replies: 13
Views: 830

Re: A strange coincidence?

Not sure if Holton did this, but it's a common practice in manufacturing to set aside blocks of serial numbers for specific models.
by JohnL
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:05 pm
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Savio travels to meet me.
Replies: 19
Views: 1155

Re: Savio travels to meet me.

FOSSIL wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:01 am
He has some very nice trombones ....😁
Not only did he travel six hours, but he brought trombones?
by JohnL
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:26 am
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Greenhoe maintenance
Replies: 16
Views: 978

Re: Greenhoe maintenance

A side benefit of a reverse tuning slide; the goop is on the outside of the tube.
by JohnL
Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Conn 50h
Replies: 4
Views: 306

Re: Conn 50h

A 50H is a medium-bore horn (.522" bore), so it's not all that small. They were marketed as a "student bass trombone".

Never had a chance to play one that was in good condition; all I've ever seen is school horns and former school horns.
by JohnL
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:22 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Early Williams & Wallace Bass
Replies: 14
Views: 755

Re: Early Williams & Wallace Bass

It begs the question: "How much is Earl Williams and how much is C. G. Conn?" The wrap does look a lot like the 1930 70H over at the Conn Loyalist page (absent the add-on E valve) but, to my eyes, that there's a little more space between the back bow and the outer loop of the attachment, with corres...
by JohnL
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Instruments
Topic: Early Williams & Wallace Bass
Replies: 14
Views: 755

Re: Early Williams & Wallace Bass

Any details? Dimensions, etc.? The "Patent Pending" marking on the curved handbrace would indicate that it was made sometime after January 4th, 1928 (the filing date for that patent). The patent was issued on November 25th, 1930, but it's possible Earl had some stock of "Patent Pending" braces on ha...
by JohnL
Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Bass Trombone Sound?
Replies: 129
Views: 7583

Re: Bass Trombone Sound?

And one last point - interesting post by Doug Yeo on his "Last Trombone" blog about Edward Kleinhammer the other giant that stood alongside George Roberts in the Bass Trombone annals of history - theres a picture of them meeting for the first time in 2004 too. Several years ago, Charlie Vernon was ...
by JohnL
Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:03 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Replacement inner slide to an old 78H..
Replies: 22
Views: 822

Re: Replacement inner slide to an old 78H..

Tbarh wrote:
Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:39 pm
If the innerslide was smoother the slide would perfect.. It looks like the stocking are soldered on.. Havent had the opportunity to measure the bore..
Make sure to measure the stocking OD. That's the important dimension when you're looking to replace inner slide tubes.
by JohnL
Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: Performance
Topic: Strangest gigs
Replies: 48
Views: 2452

Re: Strangest gigs

I once played a community band gig that was for a sort of grand opening/sales pitch for a newly opened, high end "adult community". Crickets. It was pretty much just us and the staff and maybe a half dozen potential customers. On the plus side, the dessert chef from their on-site restaurant had been...
by JohnL
Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:55 am
Forum: Musicians
Topic: Bass Trombone Sound?
Replies: 129
Views: 7583

Re: Bass Trombone Sound?

Nobody comes out of nowhere. We (and they) stood on the shoulders of those who went before. To some extent, George DID come out of nowhere. Yes, there were plenty of excellent bass trombonists before him, but his primary inspiration came not from them, but from a tenor player (Urbie Green). He esse...
by JohnL
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:25 pm
Forum: Modification & Repair
Topic: Need slide receiver for Olds P24G
Replies: 4
Views: 345

Re: Need slide receiver for Olds P24G

I think it's the same receiver as a Bach, at least the same taper. Try your slide on a Bach bell to verify. That rings a bell for me, too. Did your tech check the Allied catalog? It’s sometimes surprising what the actually have. They were the ones who ended up with most of the Olds parts inventory....
by JohnL
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:21 pm
Forum: Maintenance
Topic: Rubbing Alcohol or Denatured?
Replies: 9
Views: 583

Re: Rubbing Alcohol or Denatured?

I suspect it depends on what additives are used; as Andrew pointed out, neither is pure alcohol. Back when I worked as a metallurgist, we'd rinse samples with methanol so they'd dry without residue. Harder to get that rubbing or denatured alcohol. One time we ran out and tried using drug store rubbi...

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